Geopolitical Risk

[Davexl]

 Right now, as fibre-optic cables are being cut in the Baltic (between Germany & Finland), and we are on the cusp of a possible WW-III (at least between Russia & NATO), it's worth briefly re-capping the success of the last 70 years, before it is rendered mute by Trump and his sycophants...

Perhaps the West will find a backbone again following the outbreak of war, but it is singularly un-prepared for the fight, at this time.

So as Sweden & Finland dust of their 'preparations for war' booklets to the masses and Poland remains on high alert - how will Russia respond to the ATACMS provocation in response to Russia bringing in the North Koreans to fight in Kursk.

Is this how major war begins ??

Donald Trump and the New World Order
The End of the West

A DER SPIEGEL Editorial by Dirk Kurbjuweit

https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/donald-trump-and-the-new-world-order-the-end-of-the-west-a-b71fa1bd-6147-47a4-8738-5c17eff44a55

[Waltzing]

if there is no peace on earth DX then there can be no peace in space...

Elon needs a lot of money to make 100 star ships a year.... whos going to be the investors...

The chinese are out of the game that leave the middle east and billions held by Crypto pirates....and where is putins money...

wont he want some of space X?

[Waltzing]

Prepare for war...

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/sweden-finland-urge-residents-to-be-ready-for-war/WOR2QPOVIZGXPGASPOSJPITODY/

[Waltzing]

End of liberal democracy ...

https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/donald-trump-and-the-new-world-order-the-end-of-the-west-a-b71fa1bd-6147-47a4-8738-5c17eff44a55

[Davexl]

   Quote Originally Posted by Davexl View Post
Trump is Putin's man without a doubt - probably being blackmailed by Putin to do his bidding -
or perhaps he is merely nuts full stop.

Either way - not good, and for another 4 whole years ??

   Quote Originally Posted by blackcap View Post
    If you think that, you are deluded.

    I have a lot of hope for the next 4 years. A Trump presidency is exactly what the world needs right now to stop the madness.

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Trump IS the madness!

Cancelling the TPP undermining Western economic influence in the Pacific Rim, the dismissal of James Comey accusing him of being the nut job Trump is, the Unmonitored meeting with Putin at Helsinki, cancelling the Iran JCPOA non-nuclear agreement with Iran, massive tax cuts for corporations increasing Federal debt closer to unsustainable levels, meeting with Kim Jong Un three times giving him legitimacy & undermining Western nuclear containment credibility on the Korean peninsular, completely stuffing up the Covid response in the US causing 10's of thousands of unnecessary deaths tantamount to murder, promulgating outlandish Covid treatments killing many more, withdrawing from the scientifically unchallenged Paris Climate Agreement, the underming of NATO whereby Angela Merkel became the de-facto leader of the West in Trumps complete absence of military credibility.

In fact, about the only things Trump succeeded with were the Abrams Accord between some Arab states and Israel and his encouragements to NATO, Japan & South Korea to increase their share of defence spending...

    Trump's Leadership style etc - from Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_...f_Donald_Trump

    Trump's own staffers, subordinates, and allies frequently characterized Trump as infantile.[47] Trump reportedly eschewed reading detailed briefing documents, including the President's Daily Brief, in favor of receiving oral briefings.[48][49] Intelligence briefers reportedly repeated the President's name and title in order to keep his attention.[50][51] He was also known to acquire information by watching up to eight hours of television each day, most notably Fox News programs such as Fox & Friends and Hannity, whose broadcast talking points Trump sometimes repeated in public statements, particularly in early morning tweets.[52][53][54] Trump reportedly expressed anger if intelligence analyses contradicted his beliefs or public statements, with two briefers stating they had been instructed by superiors to not provide Trump with information that contradicted his public statements.[51]

    Trump had reportedly fostered chaos as a management technique, resulting in low morale and policy confusion among his staff.[55][56] Trump proved unable to effectively compromise during the 115th U.S. Congress, which led to significant governmental gridlock and few notable legislative accomplishments despite Republican control of both houses of Congress.[57] Presidential historian Doris Kearns Goodwin found Trump lacked several traits of an effective leader, including "humility, acknowledging errors, shouldering blame and learning from mistakes, empathy, resilience, collaboration, connecting with people and controlling unproductive emotions."[58]

    In January 2018, Axios reported Trump's working hours were typically around 11:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. (a later start and an earlier end compared to the beginning of his presidency) and that he was holding fewer meetings during his working hours in order to accommodate Trump's desire for more unstructured free time (labelled as "executive time").[59] In 2019, Axios published Trump's schedule from November 7, 2018, to February 1, 2019, and calculated that around sixty percent of the time between 8:00 a.m. and 5:00 p.m. was "executive time."[60]

    False and misleading statements

    Main article: False or misleading statements by Donald Trump
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...site_graph.png
    Fact-checkers from The Washington Post[61] (top, monthly), the Toronto Star[62] and CNN[63][64] (bottom, weekly) compiled data on "false or misleading claims", and "false claims", respectively. The peaks corresponded in late 2018 to the midterm elections, in late 2019 to his impeachment inquiry, and in late 2020 to the presidential election. The Post reported 30,573 false or misleading claims in four years,[61] an average of more than 20.9 per day.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Trends.svg.png
    Google Trends topic searches for "Gaslighting" began a substantial increase in 2016, at the time of the campaign for the U.S. presidential election.[65]

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Trends.svg.png
    Google Trends topic searches for "Fake news" began a substantial increase in late 2016, about the time of the U.S. presidential election.[66]

    The number and scale of Trump's statements in public speeches, remarks, and tweets identified as false by scholars, fact-checkers, and commentators were characterized as unprecedented for an American president,[67][68] and even unprecedented in U.S. politics.[69] The New Yorker called falsehoods a distinctive part of his political identity,[70] and they have also been described by Republican political advisor Amanda Carpenter as a gaslighting tactic.[71] His White House had dismissed the idea of objective truth,[72] and his campaign and presidency have been described as being "post-truth",[73] as well as hyper-Orwellian.[74] Trump's rhetorical signature included disregarding data from federal institutions that was incompatible to his arguments; quoting hearsay, anecdotal evidence, and questionable claims in partisan media; denying reality (including his own statements); and distracting when falsehoods were exposed.[75]

    During the first year of Trump's presidency, The Washington Post's fact-checking team wrote that Trump was "the most fact-challenged politician" it had "ever encountered ... the pace and volume of the president's misstatements means that we cannot possibly keep up."[76] The Post found that as president, Trump made more than 30,000 false or misleading claims, increasing from an average of six a day in his first year as president to 39 claims a day in his final year.[77] The most common false or misleading claims by Trump involved the economy and jobs, his border wall proposal, and his tax legislation; he had also made false statements regarding prior administrations,[78] as well as other topics, including crime, terrorism, immigration, Russia and the Mueller probe, the Ukraine probe, immigration, and the COVID-19 pandemic.[61] Senior administration officials had also regularly given false, misleading, or tortured statements to the news media,[79][80] which made it difficult for the news media to take official statements seriously.[79]

    Rule of law

    Shortly before Trump secured the 2016 Republican nomination, The New York Times reported "legal experts across the political spectrum say" Trump's rhetoric reflected "a constitutional worldview that shows contempt for the First Amendment, the separation of powers, and the rule of law," adding "many conservative and libertarian legal scholars warn that electing Mr. Trump is a recipe for a constitutional crisis."[81] Political scientists warned that candidate Trump's rhetoric and actions mimicked those of other politicians who ultimately turned authoritarian once in office.[82] Some scholars have concluded that during Trump's tenure as president and largely due to his actions and rhetoric, the U.S. has experienced democratic backsliding.[83][84] Many prominent Republicans have expressed similar concerns that Trump's perceived disregard for the rule of law betrayed conservative principles.[85][86][87][88]

    During the first two years of his presidency, Trump repeatedly sought to influence the Department of Justice to investigate Clinton,[89][90] the Democratic National Committee,[91] and Comey.[92] He persistently repeated a variety of allegations, at least some of which had already been investigated or debunked.[93][94] In spring 2018, Trump told White House counsel Don McGahn he wanted to order the Department of Justice to prosecute Clinton and Comey, but McGahn advised Trump such action would constitute abuse of power and invite possible impeachment.[95] In May 2018, Trump demanded that the Department of Justice investigate "whether or not the FBI/DOJ infiltrated or surveilled the Trump Campaign for Political Purposes," which the Department of Justice referred to its inspector general.[96] Although it is not unlawful for a president to exert influence on the Department of Justice to open an investigation, presidents have assiduously avoided doing so to prevent perceptions of political interference.[96][97]

    Sessions resisted several demands by Trump and his allies for investigations of political opponents, causing Trump to repeatedly express frustration, saying at one point, "I don't have an attorney general."[98] While criticizing the special counsel investigation in July 2019, Trump falsely claimed that the Constitution ensures that "I have to the right to do whatever I want as president."[99] Trump had on multiple occasions either suggested or promoted views of extending his presidency beyond normal term limits.[100][101]

    Trump frequently criticized the independence of the judiciary for unfairly interfering in his administration's ability to decide policy.[102] In November 2018, in an extraordinary rebuke of a sitting president, Roberts criticized Trump's characterization of a judge who had ruled against his policies as an "Obama judge", adding "That's not law."[103] In October 2020, twenty Republican former U.S. attorneys, among them appointees by each Republican president since Eisenhower, characterized Trump as "a threat to the rule of law in our country." Greg Brower, who worked in the Trump administration, asserted, "It's clear that President Trump views the Justice Department and the FBI as his own personal law firm and investigative agency."

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[Davexl]

Sabotage blamed for cutting of undersea internet cables in Baltic Sea

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360492990/sabotage-blamed-cutting-undersea-internet-cables-baltic-sea

Putin signs law allowing nuclear strike in response to long-range missile attack

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360492872/putin-signs-law-allowing-nuclear-strike-response-long-range-missile-attack

[Davexl]

Comment from Bloomberg:

The primary objective for Xi Jinping during two global summits in South America was apparently to push for fewer trade barriers so he can focus on reviving China's economy. In more than a dozen meetings with world leaders over the span of a week, the Chinese premier repeatedly sought to win assurances that nations would uphold the international free trade system. But his pleas may have been drowned out by the actions of others. His pitch came as Donald Trump prepares to turbocharge the trade war he started six years ago with 60% tariffs on Chinese goods. And Xi's case also wasn't helped by his ally Vladimir Putin, who shook markets by removing some guardrails on the use of nuclear weapons in his war on Ukraine. "Xi's message is that China supports economic globalization and the current international order while the US is a disruptor that will damage the world economy," said Neil Thomas, a fellow for Chinese politics at the Asia Society Policy Institute's Center for China Analysis. "Xi wants to position himself to third countries as the reasonable party in US-China relations, and the Trump administration as irresponsible if they do not maintain dialogue and guardrails." —David E. Rovella

China looking almost like the Adult in the room now - used to include Biden also - now we get Trump ?

[BlackPeter]

Quote Originally Posted by Davexl View Post
Trump is Putin's man without a doubt - probably being blackmailed by Putin to do his bidding -
or perhaps he is merely nuts full stop.

Either way - not good, and for another 4 whole years ??

   Quote Originally Posted by blackcap View Post
    If you think that, you are deluded.

    I have a lot of hope for the next 4 years. A Trump presidency is exactly what the world needs right now to stop the madness.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Trump IS the madness!

Cancelling the TPP undermining Western economic influence in the Pacific Rim, the dismissal of James Comey accusing him of being the nut job Trump is, the Unmonitored meeting with Putin at Helsinki, cancelling the Iran JCPOA non-nuclear agreement with Iran, massive tax cuts for corporations increasing Federal debt closer to unsustainable levels, meeting with Kim Jong Un three times giving him legitimacy & undermining Western nuclear containment credibility on the Korean peninsular, completely stuffing up the Covid response in the US causing 10's of thousands of unnecessary deaths tantamount to murder, promulgating outlandish Covid treatments killing many more, withdrawing from the scientifically unchallenged Paris Climate Agreement, the underming of NATO whereby Angela Merkel became the de-facto leader of the West in Trumps complete absence of military credibility.

In fact, about the only things Trump succeeded with were the Abrams Accord between some Arab states and Israel and his encouragements to NATO, Japan & South Korea to increase their share of defence spending...

    Trump's Leadership style etc - from Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_...f_Donald_Trump

    Trump's own staffers, subordinates, and allies frequently characterized Trump as infantile.[47] Trump reportedly eschewed reading detailed briefing documents, including the President's Daily Brief, in favor of receiving oral briefings.[48][49] Intelligence briefers reportedly repeated the President's name and title in order to keep his attention.[50][51] He was also known to acquire information by watching up to eight hours of television each day, most notably Fox News programs such as Fox & Friends and Hannity, whose broadcast talking points Trump sometimes repeated in public statements, particularly in early morning tweets.[52][53][54] Trump reportedly expressed anger if intelligence analyses contradicted his beliefs or public statements, with two briefers stating they had been instructed by superiors to not provide Trump with information that contradicted his public statements.[51]

    Trump had reportedly fostered chaos as a management technique, resulting in low morale and policy confusion among his staff.[55][56] Trump proved unable to effectively compromise during the 115th U.S. Congress, which led to significant governmental gridlock and few notable legislative accomplishments despite Republican control of both houses of Congress.[57] Presidential historian Doris Kearns Goodwin found Trump lacked several traits of an effective leader, including "humility, acknowledging errors, shouldering blame and learning from mistakes, empathy, resilience, collaboration, connecting with people and controlling unproductive emotions."[58]

    In January 2018, Axios reported Trump's working hours were typically around 11:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. (a later start and an earlier end compared to the beginning of his presidency) and that he was holding fewer meetings during his working hours in order to accommodate Trump's desire for more unstructured free time (labelled as "executive time").[59] In 2019, Axios published Trump's schedule from November 7, 2018, to February 1, 2019, and calculated that around sixty percent of the time between 8:00 a.m. and 5:00 p.m. was "executive time."[60]

    False and misleading statements

    Main article: False or misleading statements by Donald Trump
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...site_graph.png
    Fact-checkers from The Washington Post[61] (top, monthly), the Toronto Star[62] and CNN[63][64] (bottom, weekly) compiled data on "false or misleading claims", and "false claims", respectively. The peaks corresponded in late 2018 to the midterm elections, in late 2019 to his impeachment inquiry, and in late 2020 to the presidential election. The Post reported 30,573 false or misleading claims in four years,[61] an average of more than 20.9 per day.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Trends.svg.png
    Google Trends topic searches for "Gaslighting" began a substantial increase in 2016, at the time of the campaign for the U.S. presidential election.[65]

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Trends.svg.png
    Google Trends topic searches for "Fake news" began a substantial increase in late 2016, about the time of the U.S. presidential election.[66]

    The number and scale of Trump's statements in public speeches, remarks, and tweets identified as false by scholars, fact-checkers, and commentators were characterized as unprecedented for an American president,[67][68] and even unprecedented in U.S. politics.[69] The New Yorker called falsehoods a distinctive part of his political identity,[70] and they have also been described by Republican political advisor Amanda Carpenter as a gaslighting tactic.[71] His White House had dismissed the idea of objective truth,[72] and his campaign and presidency have been described as being "post-truth",[73] as well as hyper-Orwellian.[74] Trump's rhetorical signature included disregarding data from federal institutions that was incompatible to his arguments; quoting hearsay, anecdotal evidence, and questionable claims in partisan media; denying reality (including his own statements); and distracting when falsehoods were exposed.[75]

    During the first year of Trump's presidency, The Washington Post's fact-checking team wrote that Trump was "the most fact-challenged politician" it had "ever encountered ... the pace and volume of the president's misstatements means that we cannot possibly keep up."[76] The Post found that as president, Trump made more than 30,000 false or misleading claims, increasing from an average of six a day in his first year as president to 39 claims a day in his final year.[77] The most common false or misleading claims by Trump involved the economy and jobs, his border wall proposal, and his tax legislation; he had also made false statements regarding prior administrations,[78] as well as other topics, including crime, terrorism, immigration, Russia and the Mueller probe, the Ukraine probe, immigration, and the COVID-19 pandemic.[61] Senior administration officials had also regularly given false, misleading, or tortured statements to the news media,[79][80] which made it difficult for the news media to take official statements seriously.[79]

    Rule of law

    Shortly before Trump secured the 2016 Republican nomination, The New York Times reported "legal experts across the political spectrum say" Trump's rhetoric reflected "a constitutional worldview that shows contempt for the First Amendment, the separation of powers, and the rule of law," adding "many conservative and libertarian legal scholars warn that electing Mr. Trump is a recipe for a constitutional crisis."[81] Political scientists warned that candidate Trump's rhetoric and actions mimicked those of other politicians who ultimately turned authoritarian once in office.[82] Some scholars have concluded that during Trump's tenure as president and largely due to his actions and rhetoric, the U.S. has experienced democratic backsliding.[83][84] Many prominent Republicans have expressed similar concerns that Trump's perceived disregard for the rule of law betrayed conservative principles.[85][86][87][88]

    During the first two years of his presidency, Trump repeatedly sought to influence the Department of Justice to investigate Clinton,[89][90] the Democratic National Committee,[91] and Comey.[92] He persistently repeated a variety of allegations, at least some of which had already been investigated or debunked.[93][94] In spring 2018, Trump told White House counsel Don McGahn he wanted to order the Department of Justice to prosecute Clinton and Comey, but McGahn advised Trump such action would constitute abuse of power and invite possible impeachment.[95] In May 2018, Trump demanded that the Department of Justice investigate "whether or not the FBI/DOJ infiltrated or surveilled the Trump Campaign for Political Purposes," which the Department of Justice referred to its inspector general.[96] Although it is not unlawful for a president to exert influence on the Department of Justice to open an investigation, presidents have assiduously avoided doing so to prevent perceptions of political interference.[96][97]

    Sessions resisted several demands by Trump and his allies for investigations of political opponents, causing Trump to repeatedly express frustration, saying at one point, "I don't have an attorney general."[98] While criticizing the special counsel investigation in July 2019, Trump falsely claimed that the Constitution ensures that "I have to the right to do whatever I want as president."[99] Trump had on multiple occasions either suggested or promoted views of extending his presidency beyond normal term limits.[100][101]

    Trump frequently criticized the independence of the judiciary for unfairly interfering in his administration's ability to decide policy.[102] In November 2018, in an extraordinary rebuke of a sitting president, Roberts criticized Trump's characterization of a judge who had ruled against his policies as an "Obama judge", adding "That's not law."[103] In October 2020, twenty Republican former U.S. attorneys, among them appointees by each Republican president since Eisenhower, characterized Trump as "a threat to the rule of law in our country." Greg Brower, who worked in the Trump administration, asserted, "It's clear that President Trump views the Justice Department and the FBI as his own personal law firm and investigative agency."

    Last edited by Davexl; Today at 10:00 AM.

No doubt - Trump is unpredictable, he clearly has no ethical or moral constraints and he is likely to wreck whatever is left of an independent US justice system and US democracy. Corruption and Incompetence will flourish. Not good.

On the other hand - while Biden had significant achievements (like the huge Infrastructure Investment package he got through congress), he made as well huge mistakes. The messy withdrawal from Afghanistan will stick forever as a stain on his records. The sad situation of the Ukraine attacked by Trumps friend Putin is only due to Bidens reluctance to properly put his foot down against Putler, but the worst thing was Bidens weakness in dealing with the criminal and conman Trump. It is absolutely unacceptable that Trump didn't got properly dealt with by the justice system over the last 4 years ... Justice delayed is justice denied - and I guess we all will now pay for Biden's mistakes.

Having said that - the US supreme court, stacked by Trump towards alt-right - decided already that a US President can't be hold responsible for any actions he takes in office in order to protect the American people. It would not be hard to argue that protecting the world from Trump 2.0 would be such an action;

Where are the Iranians if you need them?

Anyway - the world is clearly moving towards a time window with significantly increased risk. We've been there during WW2 and before during the American civil war. Players better be thoughtful and considerate in picking their next moves - or it might be there last.

[LoungeLizard]

The risk is coming from all sides. US long range missiles hitting Russia. North Korean troops fighting the Ukrainians. Russia threatening asymmetric warfare against the West. The US backing Israel to do whatever it likes in Palestine. The centre cannot hold when the extremists on both sides each accuse the other of escalation. And then they escalate.
And now Trump, the great transactionalist and his apparent distaste for the economic waste of war. A white knight or a dark lord? Being very risk averse I'm thinking it may be time to move out of NZX for a time. Gold looks to be a safe bet??

[BlackPeter]

The risk is coming from all sides. US long range missiles hitting Russia. North Korean troops fighting the Ukrainians. Russia threatening asymmetric warfare against the West. The US backing Israel to do whatever it likes in Palestine. The centre cannot hold when the extremists on both sides each accuse the other of escalation. And then they escalate.
And now Trump, the great transactionalist and his apparent distaste for the economic waste of war. A white knight or a dark lord? Being very risk averse I'm thinking it may be time to move out of NZX for a time. Gold looks to be a safe bet??

We do have a similar view on the risks (and yes, its not just Trump - idiots are everywhere), but not quite sure whether I agree with your conclusion.

Personally I do think that NZ is a good place to live (not just) in these uncertain times - and I prefer to have at least the larger part of our funds close to us (mitigating currency exchange risks, avoiding legal risks and easier access to domestic funds). I am not sure either whether I want to pick the winner of a possible war - and investing in the looser might be fatal.

Switzerland (a small country in Europe) and its industry happened to do quite well during WW 2. Would not have minded to own shares of some of their banks or other industries (like chemistry) during the conflict (or after). But actually - even German industry (and last time I checked, Germany lost WW 2) did quite well after the war.

On the other hand - physical gold is not very safe, and gold funds have similar properties than other securities.

[LoungeLizard]

We do have a similar view on the risks (and yes, its not just Trump - idiots are everywhere), but not quite sure whether I agree with your conclusion.

Personally I do think that NZ is a good place to live (not just) in these uncertain times - and I prefer to have at least the larger part of our funds close to us (mitigating currency exchange risks, avoiding legal risks and easier access to domestic funds). I am not sure either whether I want to pick the winner of a possible war - and investing in the looser might be fatal.

Switzerland (a small country in Europe) and its industry happened to do quite well during WW 2. Would not have minded to own shares of some of their banks or other industries (like chemistry) during the conflict (or after). But actually - even German industry (and last time I checked, Germany lost WW 2) did quite well after the war.

On the other hand - physical gold is not very safe, and gold funds have similar properties than other securities.

I probably agree regarding gold. It's another market that one needs to understand and I don't have the time or inclination to delve further. Mind you, gold is predicted to reach US$3,000 next year, which is probably a safer prediction than many stocks at present. However, I'll stick with bank bonds and term deposits, although the deposits guarantee scheme doesn't get under way under mid 2025. Hopefully there won't be a banking collapse before then.

Speaking of Switzerland and gold didn't they do very well as brokers/launderers for Nazi Germany?
 

[BlackPeter]

I probably agree regarding gold. It's another market that one needs to understand and I don't have the time or inclination to delve further. Mind you, gold is predicted to reach US$3,000 next year, which is probably a safer prediction than many stocks at present. However, I'll stick with bank bonds and term deposits, although the deposits guarantee scheme doesn't get under way under mid 2025. Hopefully there won't be a banking collapse before then.

Speaking of Switzerland and gold didn't they do very well as brokers/launderers for Nazi Germany?
 

Absolutely - pick your favorite crook and Switzerland did very well in looking after their money. The Nazis had plenty of money in Switzerland, every African dictator I remember had money there and so does Putin and (I suppose) the Trump organisation.

It clearly pays very well to help rich people to hide money or its origin. Casinos can do that, anybody creating and maintaining crypto currencies does that, and any country with strict banking laws does that. Switzerland is a good example for the latter. Might be morally questionable, but I think for a country it would be dumb to ignore the opportunities, and if you look at it from a different angle - we all live still very well from the spoils of colonisation and slave trade of past centuries.

It was already the old Romans who said "pecunia non olet" (money does not stink).

[Waltzing]

many societies have done the slave thing...

including the locals ...

its just that the UK created the machines to let them move around the world and trade and pillage faster ...

now musk can do it in space ..

who is going to control mars..and is elon planning a space station of his own.. a moon base and then its MARS!!!

[BlackPeter]

many societies have done the slave thing...

including the locals ...

its just that the UK created the machines to let them move around the world and trade and pillage faster ...

now musk can do it in space ..

who is going to control mars..and is elon planning a space station of his own.. a moon base and then its MARS!!!

Suppose he will notice quite soon that any growth is limited. Hard to see the business case for a space station on the moon or on Mars, unless he destroys this planet beforehand.

But hold on - isn't that what his closest buddy Trump is just starting to do? Actually - this might be a clever strategy ... destroy planet earth and than you can sell places on planet Mars for any price the desperates are able to pay. And to make sure people don't notice this strategy he is concurrently dumbing down and destroying the education system. What was the name of this wrestling lady (well, lady not sure, but female anyway) charged by him to look after this job?

[Waltzing]

mars will be a mining colony...

dont worry Putin will give him the money...

he will want to escape earth to avoid being stalin...

re death of stalin....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9eAshaPvYw

this was a gag when it came out... not so much now... more like real life...