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Minimoke

Quote from: Waltzing on Nov 25, 2023, 07:51 PMTova pod casts

she highlights that 3oo workers at Ministry of  busy idiots complained about having to us english as there main language..

well does she not realise these people the first 300 to seek voluntary dumpings....

brilliant way to down size the government.... piss off all the workers and THEY LEAVE!!!!
Those workers may not realise the Labour government passed a thing called the Plain Language Act. This Act clearly describes how govt, and its workers, should communictate to the public.

If these workers don't understand this then they can be the first on the firing line. Because they probably also don't understand the empowering legislations that creates their own govt department.

Waltzing

Could it be that winston is right... and there needs to be an inquiry into the public funding of broadcasting over the last 3 years.

Several entities promoting demcracy tried in that time to publish adversting only to find that STUFF and NZ HERALD blocked attempts to publish information in News papers.

Could it be that the public funding of these news papers allowed them to pick and choice what adversting they decided to run...

Minimoke

Quote from: Waltzing on Nov 28, 2023, 06:40 PMCould it be that winston is right... and there needs to be an inquiry into the public funding of broadcasting over the last 3 years.

Several entities promoting demcracy tried in that time to publish adversting only to find that STUFF and NZ HERALD blocked attempts to publish information in News papers.

Could it be that the public funding of these news papers allowed them to pick and choice what adversting they decided to run...

Winston is right (and I'm no fan)

Bribe = "A bribe is a sum of money or something valuable that one person offers or gives to another in order to persuade him or her to do something."

Something valuable: Media are going broke. They need cash. PIJF was cash that helped them survive.
Used to persuade. Govt wanted media to "Actively promote the principles of Partnership, Participation and Active Protection under Te Tiriti o Waitangi acknowledging Māori as a Te Tiriti partner. And Reflect the cultural diversity of New Zealand."

In essence the govt was buying "news" that aligned with their agenda.

And this was bolstered by the "Advertising Packages" which included "Spend $X on advertising and we will place your narrative into news items" Essentially dressing advertorials up as current affairs.

Waltzing

MIM says it as it is and it appears the press in NZ dont want to see the reality of how an economy works but still want their cake and eat it...

MIM details the process and the effect and is educationa.l Winstons government ministers and friends should read MIM's statements.

Minimoke

Quote from: Waltzing on Nov 29, 2023, 09:16 AMMIM says it as it is and it appears the press in NZ dont want to see the reality of how an economy works but still want their cake and eat it...

MIM details the process and the effect and is educationa.l Winstons government ministers and friends should read MIM's statements.
Who is MIM?

BlackPeter

Quote from: Waltzing on Nov 29, 2023, 09:16 AMMIM says it as it is and it appears the press in NZ dont want to see the reality of how an economy works but still want their cake and eat it...

MIM details the process and the effect and is educationa.l Winstons government ministers and friends should read MIM's statements.

Attacking and bashing the free press is one of the basic tools of every populist. Trump did it, every autocrat in history did it and Winston is doing it as well.

What he wants is a streamlined press singing in tune from his songbook, and everybody critisicing him gets attacked.

If the press did anything wrong, he should go to the police and make just another unproven accusation adding to the many other outrageous but empty complaints he made over the years. Anybody critisicing Peters get's attacked. Trumpesk.

I guess its just easier for somebody who never did anything useful worthwhile mentioning in office to attack the press instead of starting to do the job he is paid for to do.

Untamed

While I do like Winston's ability to be direct, this is not a good look for him right now, and even worse look for Luxon as the leader of this coalition. As you said, if Winston has legitimate evidence of any wrong-doing, he should present it to the appropriate channels for investigation. Otherwise, he runs the very real risk of losing all credibility. He needs to get off his high horse, at least for now, and focus on doing his job.

Luxon has zero control over his Deputy PM already. Which is absolutely no surprise. If he can't find a way to "manage" Winston, this absolutely will be the "coalition from Hell."

We don't have time for these histrionics.

Quote from: BlackPeter on Nov 29, 2023, 11:42 AMAttacking and bashing the free press is one of the basic tools of every populist. Trump did it, every autocrat in history did it and Winston is doing it as well.

What he wants is a streamlined press singing in tune from his songbook, and everybody critisicing him gets attacked.

If the press did anything wrong, he should go to the police and make just another unproven accusation adding to the many other outrageous but empty complaints he made over the years. Anybody critisicing Peters get's attacked. Trumpesk.

I guess its just easier for somebody who never did anything useful worthwhile mentioning in office to attack the press instead of starting to do the job he is paid for to do.


Breezy

I agree with Winnie, over the last 6 yrs the Herald and Stuff have basically been left wing songsheets.

BlackPeter

Quote from: Breezy on Nov 29, 2023, 12:33 PMI agree with Winnie, over the last 6 yrs the Herald and Stuff have basically been left wing songsheets.

I remember a lot of articles written by former ACT and National politicians in the Herald over the last 6 years or so. Richard Prebble is often writing for them, Gerry Brownlee did write for them and so does Matthew Hooton. This the left wing songsheets you are talking about?

Breezy

Quote from: BlackPeter on Nov 29, 2023, 12:54 PMI remember a lot of articles written by former ACT and National politicians in the Herald over the last 6 years or so. Richard Prebble is often writing for them, Gerry Brownlee did write for them and so does Matthew Hooton. This the left wing songsheets you are talking about?

I'm afraid overall all I remember is the misinformation and overall left wing bias on a daily basis that was plastered relentlessly in stated publications, even pulled them up myself on a few occasions on Covid matters.

Minimoke

Quote from: BlackPeter on Nov 29, 2023, 12:54 PMI remember a lot of articles written by former ACT and National politicians in the Herald over the last 6 years or so. Richard Prebble is often writing for them, Gerry Brownlee did write for them and so does Matthew Hooton. This the left wing songsheets you are talking about?

They do that. Its a bit of a smoke screen to try and give the impression they are impartional. But in reality they aren't.

Breezy

Quote from: Minimoke on Nov 29, 2023, 12:59 PMThey do that. Its a bit of a smoke screen to try and give the impression they are impartional. But in reality they aren't.
Yep 1 of those articles per 100 of the other propaganda ones.

Ferg

#357
Plus those authors are political figures of a known persuasion or leaning; they are not supposedly independent reporters or journalists.  Winston is right.  Of course the media who received the PIJ funding will fight this tooth and nail, and use every dirty trick in the book to undermine him.  But Winston is correct and he is not the only one saying it.  As much as I don't like Winston, someone needs to call out the dishonest media.  Independent fourth estate....have a Tui.

Waltzing

Boy this thread just took off today!!!

"Who is MIM?"

Most Important Member...


Waltzing

"Winston has legitimate evidence "

Might be more a case of a political bribery which you can smell but cant actually find the smoking gun .....

He certainly is shooting from the HIP....

Luxon wont be able to control Winston.... no one can...