Politics

[Untamed]

You are right. This is not ST. So here you go ...

1) ACT's call for a referendum on the Treaty of Waitangi is something I absolutely do not support. For two reasons. Firstly, a contract is a contract. Once signed it is an official agreement between parties, and in most cases cannot (and should not) be altered unless all parties concerned unanimously agree to changes. Whether we agree with/support the Treaty or not, is irrelevant. It is not my place as a New Zealander or as a voter, to interfere with someone else's contract. Secondly, any continued debate about this will create significant division, which is the last thing we need. We have more than enough racial tension in this country right now, and we need to do better.

Re their stance on gun laws - nope.

2) I do not support NZF's anti-transgender policies. No explanation needed as I am pretty sure I have covered my reasons in previous posts.

I am speaking for myself obviously, but if National concedes to any or all of these "demands" I will be seriously pissed.

2.  3rd paragraph "I am not going to speak to them though as I know nobody here will agree".  You may be surprised.  If you want to air your concerns and are happy to defend your position then go for it.  Free speech and all that.  I expect other posters will be respectful of differing opinions and I think some will agree with you.  Most people are reasonable - not all those who voted for Act are gun nuts and not all those who voted green are watermelons.  This is not ShareTrader so those sorts of posts and people can stay there.  I post here for a reason...long may that continue.

[BlackPeter]

Did you just make a prediction?   

Just an observation - observing patterns can be a useful learning experience, if this is what you are after.
 
Winston clearly has a problem to survive longer than one term in government (well, he never made it) - and in two out of the three cases in the past he took the main party down with him into the abyss.

[Hectorplains]

Any pact with Winston certainly does have Faustian overtones.

[Untamed]

This response from Luxon today, does not fill me with confidence.

When asked if there was going to be a referendum on the Treaty, Luxon said :"we've all, everyone has to make trade offs along the way, because that's the nature of MMP that is the nature of coalition government".

[Untamed]

As expected, Seymour thinks he should have the Deputy PM role. I am no fan of National, but Nicola Willis has earned that role in my opinion. Luxon better show some loyalty here. Last thing I want is Seymour or Peters in the deputy's chair.

[BlackPeter]

As expected, Seymour thinks he should have the Deputy PM role. I am no fan of National, but Nicola Wills has earned that role in my opinion. Luxon better show some loyalty here. Last thing I want is Seymour or Peters in the deputy's chair.

Agree - would be pretty funny if Seymour or Peters would be deputy and would need to speak in Luxons absence for a National coalition government including as well the other minor party. Neither Seymour would want Peters (remember most distrusted NZ politician) to speak as well for ACT nor Peters would want Seymour to speak as well for NZ First.

So, I could imagine at least this cup might pass ;

Anyway - we clearly live in interesting times ;

[Untamed]

"My work here is done."

Mmmmm ......

[Untamed]

Nicola has just stated she will not be Deputy PM. She is doing her best to be diplomatic, but she has also not said she didn't want the role or "pulled out" of the running.

Luxon has done precisely what I was afraid he would do. Bad move buddy. Really bad move. He has zero balls, and this decision alone will come back and bite him in the bum.

Beyond depressing.

And no, it's NOT merely a ceremonial role! If something happens that puts Luxon out of action, the Deputy PM takes over. That was more than likely Luxon's pathetic attempt at appeasing the people, knowing many would be unhappy once they found out he had sacrificed Nicola.

[Untamed]

What total BS. There is literally no good or legitimate reason to split this role, other than to appease the two people concerned. This is government, not primary school.

Seymour and Peters to share deputy PM
NZ First leader Winston Peters and ACT leader David Seymour will share the role of deputy prime minister, halving it across the three-year term. Peters will be the first deputy prime minister, and will then hand over to Seymour for the second half of the term.

 We might have escaped a referendum, for now, but this is really dangerous territory in my humble opinion.

National promises to remove references to Treaty Principles from legislation
Te Tiriti o Waitangi has been a point of ongoing campaigning from the National, NZ First and ACT parties.

While National has not agreed to a Treaty referendum, it has agreed to substantial changes to Te Tiriti and its role in law.

In the coalition agreement with NZ First, the coalition has agreed to review all legislation - apart from treaty settlement acts - to remove references to "the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi" from law.

The coalition agreement said it would replace such references "with specific words relating to the relevance and application of the Treaty, or repeal the references".

In the ACT and National party agreement, the coalition agreed to support ACT's Treaty Principles Bill through the first of three readings in Parliament. That would mean a select committee would be asked to take submissions about the bill, which aims to redefine the principles of Te Tiriti o Waitangi. ACT had campaigned on holding a Treaty referendum. National has not committed to supporting that referendum, only starting the process which could see such a referendum be held.

[Untamed]

Judith Collins for Attorney General - well that sucks too.

[Waltzing]

whats wrong with Judith... shes lovely!!!

the last minister of justic rammed her UTE into a parked car and ran off into the bushes...

they had to get the dogs out ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qkuu0Lwb5EM

come on and winston really socked it to them this morning....

you can imagine the press following WIN overseas and they are covering Winston in the Artic....

now where is Winston... anyone seen Winston?  ...what? we are covering Winston on global climate action right and hes  meeting Greta here to look at the state of Penguins....

What? Winston is attending the next AUKUS meeting and NZ is buying a share in a nuclear submarine....

What? fighters are back? Holland is shipping its old F16's to NZ after Ukraine gets F35's in 2030....

[Waltzing]

"official agreement between parties,"

well are the parties still the same parties and clearly they may not be represented today as they once were...

Certain principals may endure just as Magna Carta endures to day..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta

Now one wonders which of the two documents is actually of a higher quality..

[Waltzing]

dont normally what NZ TV news ... but tonight the LSW show will surely but the best comedy on TV...

Winston is just to funny to miss...

[Waltzing]

Interesting stuff from the journos in wellington..

https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/newsable/

[Waltzing]

No laughs after all.... well thats TVNZ...

might as well privatise it to pay for the tax cuts...