Politics

[Breezy]

Official source please?

The Herald/Stuff/Radio and all over social media.

[BlackPeter]

The Herald/Stuff/Radio and all over social media.

None of that would be an "official source".

I've seen a link on reddit with the claim you are spreading, but lets face it - reddit is still less credible than twitter or youtube - smears and lies all over the place.

Not saying its not true, but maybe you could find a credible link and do some research before you make such hard hitting accusations.

[Breezy]

None of that would be an "official source".

I've seen a link on reddit with the claim you are spreading, but lets face it - reddit is still less credible than twitter or youtube - smears and lies all over the place.

Not saying its not true, but maybe you could find a credible link and do some research before you make such hard hitting accusations.

Time to wake up, its been confirmed by top health officials and is already in operation, I like Dr Shane Reti's response to this in the Herald, its spot on.

[KW]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-surgeons-must-now-consider-ethnicity-in-prioritising-patients-for-operations-some-are-not-happy/ONGOC263IFCF3LADSRR6VTGQWE/

Auckland surgeons are now being required to consider a patient's ethnicity alongside other factors when deciding who should get an operation first.

Te Whatu Ora - Health New Zealand has introduced an Equity Adjustor Score, which aims to reduce inequity in the system by using an algorithm to prioritise patients according to clinical priority, time spent on the waitlist, geographic location (isolated areas), ethnicity, and deprivation level.

In the ethnicity category, Māori and Pasifika are top of the list, while European New Zealanders and other ethnicities, like Indian and Chinese, are lower-ranked.

Some surgeons, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said the new scoring tool was medically indefensible. They said patients should be prioritised on how sick they were, how urgently they needed treatment, and how long they had been waiting for it - not on their ethnicity.

One of the surgeons said he was "disgusted" by the new ranking system.
"It's ethically challenging to treat anyone based on race, it's their medical condition that must establish the urgency of the treatment," the surgeon said.

If you are white or asian, and still voting Labour/Greens/Maori you literally have a death wish.  This policy has been in place for some time in terms of elective surgeries (https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/121640802/mori-and-pasifika-given-priority-in-elective-surgery-waitlists), but now it is being applied to all surgeries.  By the time you are sick enough to get priority over Maori,  you will probably not even survive the surgery.  Killing off more white people is how they make Maori health look better.  Wake up people. 

I also dont see how this is going to attract healthcare professionals to NZ.  Who wants to breach their hippoocratic oath to work in a racist health system?

[Buzz]

Time to wake up, its been confirmed by top health officials and is already in operation, I like Dr Shane Reti's response to this in the Herald, its spot on.

There's other material on 'equity adjustment' on the Health.govt.nz and Te Whatu Ora websites, it's been going on for quite some time, since Ashley Bloomfield promoted it in 2019 and progressively rolling out to the wider health care sectors. It is also the umbrella policy for increased funding of health care workers.

[Basil]

Front page news in the Herald today.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-surgeons-must-now-consider-ethnicity-in-prioritising-patients-for-operations-some-are-not-happy/ONGOC263IFCF3LADSRR6VTGQWE/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/national-party-health-spokesman-dr-shane-reti-slams-new-surgery-ranking-policy-based-on-race/ZQMX42ENGNCUTBER7CUI2ZEX5Q/
Like many others I am absolutely sick and tired of this racism in the health system.
If I get Covid again I cannot get access to the antiviral Paxlovid because although I am at great risk being significantly overweight and over 60, however regardless of one's state of health or weight, if one is 50+ and a Māori or Polynesian the racism of this Govt means they are eligible.

Anyone know if I can buy Paxlovid at my own cost to mitigate this racism ?  I do have some concerns for my health here if I get it again, it really smashed me hard the first time.  Fortunately, we are not short of a quid and can afford to go private for Mrs B's knee operations, probably north of $60,000 for both knees now..  There seems little to no point going on the public health wait list now.

[KW]

Anyone know if I can buy Paxlovid at my own cost to mitigate this racism ?  I do have some concerns for my health here if I get it again, it really smashed me hard the first time.  Fortunately, we are not short of a quid and can afford to go private for Mrs B's knee operations, probably north of $60,000 for both knees now..  There seems little to no point going on the public health wait list now.

You could probably drop by your local Mongrel Mob headquarters and ask to buy some.  

[BlackPeter]

Time to wake up, its been confirmed by top health officials and is already in operation, I like Dr Shane Reti's response to this in the Herald, its spot on.

If you read the article open-mindedly, it appears its not that simple-cut:

A number of studies and reports show Māori and Pacific people are less likely to be referred or accepted for treatment in the first place, and once in the system generally get less treatment. The Auckland District Health Board's own data show Māori and Pacific patients take longer after referral to have a procedure confirmed.

I agree however that two wrongs don't necessarily make one right ... it should be possible to find a better (and equal) measurement for all people to ensure equal access to the health system instead of compensating one wrong (difficult initial access for Maoris) with another wrong (preferential treatment for the lucky Maoris who made it into the health system). However - as some groups get in effect less (and overall later) treatment, it might not be the best time to exult in moral outrage.

Just wondering where all the outraged people have been when Maori's got cheated out of their land, when Maori kids got beaten up in school for speaking their mother tongue - and why did we never hear the outrage about the average life expectancy of Maoris being roughly 7 years less than that of the average Kiwi?

[BlackPeter]

As well interesting in this context to read https://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/article/undoctored/maori-tamariki-continue-suffer-most-health-inequities-new-research-shows#:~:text=The%20research%20found%20that%20M%C4%81ori,of%20avoidable%20hospitalisations%20and%20deaths.

It says:

The Royal New Zealand College of General Practitioners is calling for urgent action to reduce health inequities for Māori, particularly Māori tamariki, following the release of new research from the Universities of Auckland and Otago last week.

The research found that Māori tamariki were unable to engage with primary healthcare, outpatient care, medicines and laboratory investigation to the same degree as non-Māori and had higher rates of avoidable hospitalisations and deaths. Perversely this has saved the health sector millions of dollars each year.

Looks like the government is damned if they do anything about the medical recommendations and damned if they don't.

[KW]

If Maori choose not to engage with the FREE healthcare services that are offered to them, the answer is not to make white/asian people sicker and leave them to die.  Its investing in preventative care and education.  Performing surgery on people who don't need it as badly as someone else, just because their skin colour is brown, is disgusting.

[Breezy]

As well interesting in this context to read https://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/article/undoctored/maori-tamariki-continue-suffer-most-health-inequities-new-research-shows#:~:text=The%20research%20found%20that%20M%C4%81ori,of%20avoidable%20hospitalisations%20and%20deaths.

It says:

Looks like the government is damned if they do anything about the medical recommendations and damned if they don't.

Hopefully they will be damned by the voters at the upcoming election, its simply a case of choosing the lesser evil this time.

[KW]

Just wondering where all the outraged people have been when Maori's got cheated out of their land, when Maori kids got beaten up in school for speaking their mother tongue - and why did we never hear the outrage about the average life expectancy of Maoris being roughly 7 years less than that of the average Kiwi?

Why would we be outraged about something that Maori bring on themselves.  Everyone knows obesity kills you.  Yet if Maori and Pasifika choose to be obese, somehow thats because the health system is racist and its the fault of white/asian people so they need to be punished by being denied medical care? 

The New Zealand Health Survey 2020/21 found that: "The prevalence of obesity among adults differed by ethnicity, with 71.3% of Pacific, 50.8% of Māori, 31.9% of European/Other and 18.5% of Asian adults obese".  Right there is your problem.  

Ditto for smoking ......Smoking rates among Māori women were 18.2% and among Māori men were 21.8% 

Smoking rates among Pacific women were 19.2% and among Pacific men were 16.9%  

Smoking rates among European/Other women were 6.2% and among European/Other men were 8.3%

Smoking rates among Asian women were 1.5% and among Asian men were 3.7%

You cant help those who won't help themselves.

[Minimoke]

As well interesting in this context to read https://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/article/undoctored/maori-tamariki-continue-suffer-most-health-inequities-new-research-shows#:~:text=The%20research%20found%20that%20M%C4%81ori,of%20avoidable%20hospitalisations%20and%20deaths.

It says:

Looks like the government is damned if they do anything about the medical recommendations and damned if they don't.

If they were serious about health inequity they would focus on men.

We didn't hear much about it but it was Mens Health Week last week. Silence. Who cares about men.

"Men are on the back foot from the start. A boy born today will live nearly four years less than a girl born in the room next door. He will be over 20% more likely to die of a heart attack than the girl, and almost 30% more likely to get diabetes.

Worse, he is three times more likely to die by suicide or in a motor car crash."

Given men make approx 50% of the adult population youd'd think we would have a separate health authority for them

[BlackPeter]

Hopefully they will be damned by the voters at the upcoming election, its simply a case of choosing the lesser evil this time.

It always is.

However - are we really sure the other side will be better? I shudder somewhat by the thought of gun lovers (ACT) climate change deniers (ACT), antivaxxers (ACT) and many untested candidates with questionable character (National) running the next government.

Honestly - I don't like the idea of a populist and race based left wing government either, but its a bit like the choice the ancient Greek sailors had when they had to choose whether they prefer to smash their boats against Skylla or allow Charybdis to destroy them.

So hard to find these days capable politicians representing the golden political middle.

 

[Minimoke]

It always is.

However - are we really sure the other side will be better? I shudder somewhat by the thought of gun lovers (ACT) climate change deniers (ACT), antivaxxers (ACT) and many untested candidates with questionable character (National) running the next government.

Honestly - I don't like the idea of a populist and race based left wing government either, but its a bit like the choice the ancient Greek sailors had when they had to choose whether they prefer to smash their boats against Skylla or allow Charybdis to destroy them.

So hard to find these days capable politicians representing the golden political middle.

 

Most gun lovers seem to be gangs who think nothing of shooting up neighborhoods with no doubt illegal guns.

Have you checked out NZ mean Sea level rise - basically nothing to see hear other than a well established century long linear trends. (And you might want to check out the IPSCC's latest report that has significantly reduced its 100 year temperature increase

The Antivaxxers are more aligned to Democracy NZ. Did you mean anti -mandate?

People of questionable character. Every party has those. And parliament is supposed to be a house of our representatives and who of us here are as pure as the driven snow?