Politics

[Waltzing]

Did anyone listen to these Dueling  talking heads?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYdpOjletnc

[Waltzing]

Ok apparently the country has a new name ..

ANATLAND.....

[Onemootpoint]

Might still have to add an NZF in that name somewhere....

[Waltzing]

The voting systems in the central Waikato can only be viewed as a complete shambles...

From a technology perspective it was THIRD WORLD and where did all the money go from the Government to the Voting commission.

This needs an investigation and maybe we need to find a PARTY who will investigate it.

That was a disgrace and almost a case where the GOVT has been negligent...

The voting system in the country can only be described as almost corrupt...

DISGRACE!!!

[Hectorplains]

The voting systems in the central Waikato can only be viewed as a complete shambles...

From a technology perspective it was THIRD WORLD and where did all the money go from the Government to the Voting commission.

This needs an investigation and maybe we need to find a PARTY who will investigate it.

That was a disgrace and almost a case where the GOVT has been negligent...

The voting system in the country can only be described as almost corrupt...

DISGRACE!!!

Hmmm, things can be a shambles, without there necessarily being corruption involved.  Take a deep breath and apply Hanlon's razor; "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." 

Given there is no political involvement by any party in the running of the Electoral Commission, it's ridiculous to claim that election booth issues were the fault of the Government. There's enough blame to lay at them in all manner of areas, no need to create another baseless conspiracy.

However; issues at polling stations extended far beyond the Waikato and there does need to be an inquiring.  The queues to vote were stupidly long in many areas.  The number of special votes required to be cast was unacceptable and without adequate explanation.  Both my wife and I had to cast specials even though we'd long been enrolled in the electorate and  she'd even been posted a card (I didn't get one.)  Yet on the day neither of us were on the roll.

[Basil]

Good riddens to the most divisive and incompetent Government in my living memory.

[Waltzing]

" Both my wife and I had to cast specials even though we'd long been enrolled in the electorate and  she'd even been posted a card (I didn't get one.)  Yet on the day neither of us were on the roll."

shambles  = corrupted system

money went somewhere else other than systems ... that is a FORM of corruption..

[Hectorplains]

" Both my wife and I had to cast specials even though we'd long been enrolled in the electorate and  she'd even been posted a card (I didn't get one.)  Yet on the day neither of us were on the roll."

shambles  = corrupted system

money went somewhere else other than systems ... that is a FORM of corruption..

No 'shambles' and 'corruption' are not synonymous.

Poor spend of money is usually not corruption either.  In this case, do you have any actual evidence of Electoral Commission money being misappropriated? 

I just don't think we need another conspiracy theory. 

[Waltzing]

Who is TONI and where does he party ! The world wants to know!!!

https://www.news.com.au/world/pacific/exiting-nz-pm-chris-hipkins-thanks-new-partner-toni-in-concession-speech/news-story/611efe6e03694af1bbcc0185b7bd6688

[Waltzing]

"Electoral Commission money being misappropriated?"

what is misappropriated ... it could be money spent on people sitting on their buts not doing the jobs...

its a form of corruption where management says lets pay ourself more money for doing nothing..

what century is the GOVT in ... obviously the money did not get to where it should have...

some idiot standing with a cell phone saying your a special VOTE!

how M**** UP does it need to get before people start to realise they are living in a country run by idiots...

If we cant call it corruption of the system what can we call it ...

They paid the money to themselves ... with salary increases and people doing nothing much...

In almost every commission in the country spending money doing nothing much..

MR B is correct ... 

[Hectorplains]

"Electoral Commission money being misappropriated?"

what is misappropriated ... it could be money spent on people sitting on their buts not doing the jobs...

its a form of corruption where management says lets pay ourself more money for doing nothing..

what century is the GOVT in ... obviously the money did not get to where it should have...

some idiot standing with a cell phone saying your a special VOTE!

how M**** UP does it need to get before people start to realise they are living in a country run by idiots...

If we cant call it corruption of the system what can we call it ...

They paid the money to themselves ... with salary increases and people doing nothing much...

In almost every commission in the country spending money doing nothing much..

MR B is correct ... 

That's a lot of words to say, 'no.'

[Ferg]

corrupted
adjective
1. Marked by immorality and perversion; depraved.
2. Dishonest.
3. Containing errors.

Something can be corrupted, as in it contains errors, without the meaning of corruption that involves dishonesty.  I like Hanlon's law where stupidity explains a lot more than corruption.  For a process to be shambolic implies there are errors in the performance of the underlying process, which let's face it, relies on the actions of humans.  So the process can be shambolic and corrupted without being purposely dishonest.

My own anecdote: the scrutineer/volunteer tried to mark off the wrong person on the role.  I could clearly see (upside down) that it was not my name.  They selected the correct index number but on the wrong page, despite reading out the numbers as they went.  Considering this was an early vote, early in the day with no queues or pressure, it really was Hanlon's law in action selecting a vision-impaired individual to do that particular task.

[Hectorplains]

Semantically that is still wrong.  Your third meaning is used in relation to computer databasing or programming.  That is where something is made unreliable by errors.  It's not used for politics.  Corruption in politics is understood to mean to act dishonestly in return for money or personal gain.

My point remains; that there were issues with enrolment and voting and that an inquiry into these is warranted.  I don't believe any positive purpose is achieve by wild, unsubstantiated allegations. 

[Waltzing]

Technically not corruption your right but the actions of the commission in not providing a modern system that can be easily verified by the voting public in this day and age is not really acceptable management of tax payer funds.

Suspect the person operating the cell phone to validate the entry in the on line application was not trained to a level of competence where he even had received any training that was audited and reported back to the commission..

There appeared to be no oversight whats so ever....

Was he an imposter a fake representative of the electoral com com... you wont know and how would you go about verifying that the person was authorised and trained to use the application you could not see being operated...

his fingers tapped the screen and as the line backed up he fudged it and before you know your not in the role and your a special vote...

now you need to go and check that your vote was counted and not rejected...

Instead of your tax payer funds going where they were supposed to go they were probably placed in the salary performance KPI of management...

 Get direct updates from Barristers in the central waikato on the consulting they are making to wellington..

They call it the best years of consulting they have ever experienced...

[Ferg]

Your third meaning is used in relation to computer databasing or programming.

The person who brought up corruption was yourself. The original post by Waltzing referred to a corrupted system.  Systems can be corrupted hence the phraseology is correct.

Waltzing:

The voting systems in the central Waikato can only be viewed as a complete shambles...

From a technology perspective it was THIRD WORLD...

[snip]

The voting system in the country can only be described as almost corrupt...

It was yourself that changed the meaning to 'corruption':

Hmmm, things can be a shambles, without there necessarily being corruption involved.

and Waltzing confirmed this in his subsequent post:

shambles  = corrupted system

If you want to argue the point go for it, but maybe take your own advice and take a deep breath given you will be arguing against yourself.  Given my previous programming interactions with Waltzing I could see what he intended and it was yourself who changed the definition of a corrupted system to corruption involving dishonesty.  He shouldn't have to argue or defend against a position he did not assert based on your misunderstanding.