Politics

[KW]

Its very difficult to find a party to vote for isnt it...

Not happy to vote for parties taxing so called wealth... hard to vote for a green party that has more stuff that looks like communism... hard to vote for any party when you think about it...

national a middle of the road do nothing radical...

Labor  red party ... color of death...every party will have something a person doesnt like..

small parties should stick to a small set of policies that reflect their main objectives...

But then they would not be able to expand the voting base...

not happy about guns but ...

Do you want more of the same - vote Labour
Do you want things to get even worse - vote Greens/TPM
Do you want things to be marginally improved - vote National
Do you want substantive change - vote ACT
Do you want to just throw a spanner in the works - vote NZ First

I think that about sums it up 

[Red Baron]

Do you want more of the same - vote Labour
Do you want things to get even worse - vote Greens/TPM
Do you want things to be marginally improved - vote National
Do you want substantive change - vote ACT
Do you want to just throw a spanner in the works - vote NZ First

I think that about sums it up 

Very zuscint and clear Thank you!   I vas very confused on how the NZ political zystem vorked before this post.  Zo if you vant 'zubstantial change' vithout gun violence, by ze process of elimination,  you must vote vor 'Te Pāti Māori' then?  Eez my old mate Hone Heke standing zees time?  He seems to have gone very quiet for these last 170 years.

RB

 

[Waltzing]

If you want to write to the IMF and tell them they got there numbers wrong and the current NZ GOVT got it right go ahead... i dont think they will reply...

https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/taxpayer_update_230923

[KW]

Very zuscint and clear Thank you!  I vas very confused on how the NZ political zystem vorked before this post.  Zo if you vant 'zubstantial change' vithout gun violence, by ze process of elimination,  you must vote vor 'Te Pāti Māori' then?  Eez my old mate Hone Heke standing zees time?  He seems to have gone very quiet for these last 170 years.

RB

 

Since TPM want to abolish prisons and let Maori criminals go free, its a fair bet that a vote for TPM will increase gun violence not lessen it. 

[Minimoke]

Do you want more of the same - vote Labour
Do you want things to get even worse - vote Greens/TPM
Do you want things to be marginally improved - vote National
Do you want substantive change - vote ACT
Do you want to just throw a spanner in the works - vote NZ First

I think that about sums it up 

I'm disappointed you havent got Liz Gunns NZ Loyal on the list. They could be a game changer with their potential minimum 6 seats in parliament.

[BlackPeter]

Even in the US assault rifles barely register in gun crime - the majority is committed with hand guns.
https://www.criminalattorneycolumbus.com/which-weapons-are-most-commonly-used-for-homicides/

You might also be interested to know that in New York State only 1.7% of shooters were white. 
https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/year-end-2021-enforcement-report.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3ojf17tvEC3HHHldn3b3KkBmtbDrdRBHZys61i8BDPkMqnfAv7yQq6Weo

So the vast majority of gun owners are law abiding, non murdering, non weirdos.  Like NZ with Maori gangs committing most of the gun crime here, the US gun crime is mostly gang related and committed by blacks and hispanics, and making more guns illegal does nothing to change their access to them because the legal market simply becomes an illegal black market and gives gangs another source of income alongside their drug activity.  So if you have access to a gang member, you have access to a gun.

As for the sickos who want to kill people, they will still find a way.  Simply driving a truck through a mall can do more damage than a gun - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack (86 dead, 434 injured).  Do we ban trucks?

While I dont own a gun, I know people who do.  None of which are weirdos.  They do like to hunt however, and in the event of a zombie apocalypse or alien invasion, I know exactly who I will be moving in with.  The rest of you can fend for yourselves lol

There is a difference between trucks and guns.

In 2021 more than 48000 people in the US got killed by guns (including suicide), while less than 4000 got killed by trucks (42k road deaths times 9% caused by trucks).

Trucks are needed for a modern society to function, while guns are not.

And hey, trucks are registered and you need a licence to drive them. Might not stop all truck related killings, but lets face it - ways more people are killed through gunviolence than killed by a truck.

There is no good reason why anybody in any society needs to possess a semiautomatic weapon or a handgun for hobby purposes unless their is a system which can guarantee that there will be no damage to other peoples rights.

And yes, I take my chances on the aliens attack ...  If they have the technology to come to our planet, than I suppose being peaceful would give you a much higher chance to survive when they come. No need to allow millions of morons to arm themselves to just kill themselves and innocent bystanders for the unlikely event some aliens might visit.

[Minimoke]

There is a difference between trucks and guns.

In 2021 more than 48000 people in the US got killed by guns (including suicide), while less than 4000 got killed by trucks (42k road deaths times 9% caused by trucks).

Trucks are needed for a modern society to function, while guns are not.

And hey, trucks are registered and you need a licence to drive them. Might not stop all truck related killings, but lets face it - ways more people are killed through gunviolence than killed by a truck.

There is no good reason why anybody in any society needs to possess a semiautomatic weapon or a handgun for hobby purposes unless their is a system which can guarantee that there will be no damage to other peoples rights.

And yes, I take my chances on the aliens attack ...  If they have the technology to come to our planet, than I suppose being peaceful would give you a much higher chance to survive when they come. No need to allow millions of morons to arm themselves to just kill themselves and innocent bystanders for the unlikely event some aliens might visit.

There is however a pesky thing known as the United States Constitution which enshrines an individuals rights.

NZ has something similar - called our Bill of Rights. We don't take it as seriously as Americans take their Constitution. We let short term politicians and office holders ride roughshod over ours.

[BlackPeter]

There is however a pesky thing known as the United States Constitution which enshrines an individuals rights.

NZ has something similar - called our Bill of Rights. We don't take it as seriously as Americans take their Constitution. We let short term politicians and office holders ride roughshod over ours.

What a lough ... nobody of the US gunlobby cares about a persons right to live. The only part of the US constitution they seem to be able to parrot is the second amendment.

And just for your info - the US constitution is absolutely irrelevant for our free land. In our lucky land does not every idiot have "the right" to wear arms and kill others.

Ever read the bill of rights? Where does it say that everybody has the right to possess semiautomatic weapons? What about small nukes? ... See?

[Ferg]

nobody of the US gunlobby cares about a persons right to live.

You got a source for that?

Thought not......you make stuff up.

[Ferg]

There is no good reason why anybody in any society needs to possess a semiautomatic weapon.

The people of Ukraine would disagree.

There is no good reason why anybody in any society needs to possess ...[snip]... a handgun for hobby purposes.

Yep, except for pest control, self defence, target practice & competitions.

[snip... unless their is a system which can guarantee that there will be no damage to other peoples rights.

Your qualification is meaningless given no such system exists for cars, trucks, trains, aeroplanes, knives, rolling pins, saucepans, machetes, cleavers, or any other hand held implement or motorised form of transport.

I get it...you don't like guns but you need a better argument.

[Waltzing]

well hes back over 5 percent ....

chaos .... but  stock market could like the results..

 

[Shareguy]

well hes back over 5 percent ....

chaos .... but  stock market could like the results..

 

Yep. I can already hear the talkback callers from last time
saying " I did not think he would go with labour"

[Waltzing]

revenge ... hes out for UTU ...

hes going to make labours life and any hokie donkie wokie  lifes a misery ...

all new quotes to come ...

could vote for him ...  only joking ... but then again they are all a bit un voteable ... but maybe better to have a chaos centre right than a communist left..

 

[BlackPeter]

revenge ... hes out for UTU ...

hes going to make labours life and any hokie donkie wokie  lifes a misery ...

all new quotes to come ...

could vote for him ...  only joking ... but then again they are all a bit un voteable ... but maybe better to have a chaos centre right than a communist left..

 

Agree with your statement that most parties appear currently to be unelectable. But its hard to go through all the policies of all the parties.

Question - did you run through this vote compass on the TVNZ website? Vote Compass is a tool developed by political scientists to help you explore how your views align with those of the parties.

Interesting exercise ...

https://votecompass.tvnz.co.nz/nz2023

[Minimoke]

VoteNZ is dodgy from the start. Always be cautious  of political experts form universities.

And look at warped questions such as number 3. "People who identify as women but were assigned male at birth should be allowed to compete in women's sports leagues."

No one is assigned something at birth. People are either the male or the female of the human species (bar a very small number in the population.

A better question would be "Should Trans Women Be allowed to compete in women's sports leagues"