HGH - Heartland Group Holdings

[LoungeLizard]

Jeez, you know the market is in trouble when BP sounds like an optimist...

[Breezy]

BP ...heavy frost here this morning but no worries as it's not spring

You place me on that diagram ...I'd place you about Denial

Weird ...it looks a bit like the HGH chart ...at least up to the  FEAR bit ......with more downside coming

The good thing about that diagram is that the start and finish end up at the same word.

[winner (n)]

Jeez, you know the market is in trouble when BP sounds like an optimist...

Yes K Rogers was a great philosopher. Another one is W Nelson

Came across this the other day -

One day, well into Willie Nelson's long and illustrious career, a TV presenter asked the musician why he wasn't writing all the great classic songs like he used to.

"When I wrote those great songs I was cold and hungry," said Mr Nelson. "I'm not cold and hungry anymore."

Seemed to summ Greensleeves up nicely

[Basil]

When your shares are down they are down no matter what the company is, as long as they are going to survive then down is down and it matters little. Most of my shares are down currently ranging from about 5% to near 50% and they are all in completely different sectors. The potential gain for OCA is just as great as HGH.

We'll see.  The N.Z. economy is very weak and those companies bleeding cash from day to day operations are more vulnerable than others in my opinion.  I'm just glad I have most of my money either offshore (Barramundi and Marlin), or in cash.   

[Breezy]

We'll see.  The N.Z. economy is very weak and those companies bleeding cash from day to day operations are more vulnerable than others in my opinion.  I'm just glad I have most of my money either offshore (Barramundi and Marlin), or in cash.   

Economic cycles are just that cyclical, they all cycle back around in time. The wheel in the sky keeps on turning.

[BlackPeter]

BP ...heavy frost here this morning but no worries as it's not spring

You place me on that diagram ...I'd place you about Denial

Weird ...it looks a bit like the HGH chart ...at least up to the  FEAR bit ......with more downside coming

I didn't place you ... the chart happened to come with this marker ;

But anyway - given that denial is on the chart only something like 1/3 down (i.e. 2/3 rds to go) ... are you saying that HLG share will move into negative territory ? This would be a first for any fully paid share ...

But look, we can spray the picture of the future with black / and or colourful sludge until the cows come home.

More interesting might be why you think that things might get still so much worse?

Do you really think our economy is getting crushed? 33% down and another 67% to go to the bottom?

Do you expect defaults to go through the roof and our money to loose all value? One loaf of really bad and tasteless NZ toast for $1 million like in the bad times of hyperinflation in post war Germany?

Do you expect share indices to drop to 10% of previous heights like after Black Friday in the US?

Do you expect world currencies to falter one after the other under the pressure of the debt bubble?

Well, I don't know - but sure - it all could happen and maybe Black Friday (Mach 2) is just waiting for us ... but even then, wouldn't HGH's securities (i.e. holding mortgages) be an advantage in the recovery phase?

Real Estate is one of the things which survived so far any economical crisis ...


Look, we might as well have a (sufficiently sized) comet hit planet earth next month (or next year) ... and none of us will need to worry about the future anymore.

However - I haven't yet seen any evidence for this comet, so I won't worry.

Do you have any evidence to support for your bleak predictions?

[winner (n)]

Good sign for HGH in a few months time was that dairy prices were up in overnight GDT auction ... third auction in a row

[Basil]

HGH is a classic buy in gloom, sell in boom stock.   Currently, sentiment as gloomy as I can ever recall it on here or the other channel.

[Breezy]

HGH is a classic buy in gloom, sell in boom stock.   Currently, sentiment as gloomy as I can ever recall it on here or the other channel.

Well that can apply to any stock except longs just hold through gloom to boom and back to gloom again and so forth, I'd guess that 90% of the people on these type of forums are either traders or traders in essence not true longs.

[LoungeLizard]

Well that can apply to any stock except longs just hold through gloom to boom and back to gloom again and so forth, I'd guess that 90% of the people on these type of forums are either traders or traders in essence not true longs.

I've got a few stocks that I've held for 10 years and accumulate in the dips, but I've recognised in recent years that if one can see the storm clouds building on the horizon for a particular stock, or even for the market in general, I don't see any reason why one shouldn't sell down or exit completely. That doesn't mean jumping with every blip in the market, but when macroeconomic forces align, a companies performance starts to waiver and market sentiment turns (not to mention a firm TA downtrend) then to continue to defend and hold the stock through a sustained downturn, well it just seems illogical. That isn't being a trader, just being flexible enough to change tack when required.

I've often thought that loyalty to a particular company or its CEO, even when said company and CEO is doing things contrary to one's interests, is a bit like having Stockholm Syndrome ie. investors form a psychological bond with their tormentor. Might be something in that...

[snapiti]

bought yesterday for $1 that's 15% less than the clever Beagle, what could go wrong! 

[Waltzing]

how is the reverse M market going? could it be that some people opt for this instead of the RV trend if that market is also a capital trap..

Since it uses Westpac tech stack it does not have a TECH development problem it just rents its TECH.

basically just a brand and broker therefore it could develop farther in this competitive market....

[winner (n)]

Has Jeff outsourced many jobs to India or Phillipines yet?

[snapiti]

Has Jeff outsourced many jobs to India or Phillipines yet?

Why would they do that,as a heartland bank customer I can tell you they do not answer the phone

[winner (n)]

Why would they do that,as a heartland bank customer I can tell you they do not answer the phone

.......or reply to mail

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