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Yes we need more good posters on here. It's early days, but most on sharetrader don't no this site exists. How do we change that?
Quote from: Shareguy on Jul 07, 2022, 02:07 PMYes we need more good posters on here. It's early days, but most on sharetrader don't no this site exists. How do we change that?
Marketing.
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for a start, posters here need to stop posting on that terrible forum. Stop giving it oxygen.
Next use your networks of known people. Especially those with balls to make one last stand. By that I mean for the person to pm all decent posters and give them this website address. With the message that it is dead easy - no getting approval from admin required.
It seems this approach will see the poster served with a life time ban. Which should only remind people of how petty admin over there is.
That site is obviously well past its use by date. And admin should have been put out to pasture years ago.
Quote from: Minimoke on Jul 07, 2022, 02:36 PMQuote from: Mysterion on Jul 07, 2022, 12:56 PM(https://i.imgur.com/rNKNvHM.gif)
for a start, posters here need to stop posting on that terrible forum. Stop giving it oxygen.
Next use your networks of known people. Especially those with balls to make one last stand. By that I mean for the person to pm all decent posters and give them this website address. With the message that it is dead easy - no getting approval from admin required.
It seems this approach will see the poster served with a life time ban. Which should only remind people of how petty admin over there is.
That site is obviously well past its use by date. And admin should have been put out to pasture years ago.
I realise that there is a lot of baggage and a lot of hurt feelings around ... and absolutely - lots of things which happened in the other forum have been unfair and undesirable .... and yes, admin and moderation over there has not always been up to professional standards.
Having said this - I don't think that it is helpful to gang up against the other forum. Feels a bit like kindergarten games.
If you intend to build up an anti sharetrader forum, then please count me out - there are a number of people I like to communicate with on sharetrader and I don't see all of them moving over here.
I know as well how it feels if you put effort and content into a forum and it disappears overnight (been there with fatportfolio) ... which may or may not happen at some stage to this forum as well. Admin and / or IT discovering different priorities (fair enough) - and if we killed off sharetrader by that time, than there will be no NZX discussion forum left.
Sharetrader despite all its warts (and yes, there are many) has at least managed to survive the last 20 or so years. It is a great repository to learn from about the history of many NZX companies and I think we should wish it well. Stocktalk has still 20 years to go to get there.
I hope that NZ is big enough to nurture two NZX discussion forums ... and it will be a win-win for everybody. Obviously - each of the forums should try to become the more competent, the better quality, the nicer, the more helpful and the more stable forum. Lets compete by providing quality content, not by telling other people where they are supposed to post, shall we?
Obviously - nothing wrong to tell others that this forum is around. Just let them decide what they are doing with this information. Nothing stopping you to put lots of quality content into this forum and for sure everybody will come just to read it here and contribute.
Competition is good for markets ... no matter whether they are about selling goods, offering services or exchanging information.
I think I prefer it to be a bit quieter here - i gave up on even reading ST a long time ago as it was mostly pages of personal attacks and juvenile conversational waffle, and very little actually relevant to the stocks themselves and of little financial value to me. I'll pop in here from time to time to add my 2c worth but I will stick to my private stock chat groups on Slack that have been in operation for many years now. If admin of ST thinks we are missing out by being banned from ST, he is mistaken. Private groups have been flourishing for a long time, they are by invitation only. and its where many of the professional fund managers and private family office managers hang out. You won't find them on ST either. The more Stocktalk can maintain the high quality of posts, even if lower quantity, the more likely you will attract the high quality posters.
Quote from: BlackPeter on Jul 07, 2022, 05:55 PMQuote from: Minimoke on Jul 07, 2022, 02:36 PMQuote from: Mysterion on Jul 07, 2022, 12:56 PM(https://i.imgur.com/rNKNvHM.gif)
for a start, posters here need to stop posting on that terrible forum. Stop giving it oxygen.
Next use your networks of known people. Especially those with balls to make one last stand. By that I mean for the person to pm all decent posters and give them this website address. With the message that it is dead easy - no getting approval from admin required.
It seems this approach will see the poster served with a life time ban. Which should only remind people of how petty admin over there is.
That site is obviously well past its use by date. And admin should have been put out to pasture years ago.
I realise that there is a lot of baggage and a lot of hurt feelings around ... and absolutely - lots of things which happened in the other forum have been unfair and undesirable .... and yes, admin and moderation over there has not always been up to professional standards.
Having said this - I don't think that it is helpful to gang up against the other forum. Feels a bit like kindergarten games.
If you intend to build up an anti sharetrader forum, then please count me out - there are a number of people I like to communicate with on sharetrader and I don't see all of them moving over here.
I know as well how it feels if you put effort and content into a forum and it disappears overnight (been there with fatportfolio) ... which may or may not happen at some stage to this forum as well. Admin and / or IT discovering different priorities (fair enough) - and if we killed off sharetrader by that time, than there will be no NZX discussion forum left.
Sharetrader despite all its warts (and yes, there are many) has at least managed to survive the last 20 or so years. It is a great repository to learn from about the history of many NZX companies and I think we should wish it well. Stocktalk has still 20 years to go to get there.
I hope that NZ is big enough to nurture two NZX discussion forums ... and it will be a win-win for everybody. Obviously - each of the forums should try to become the more competent, the better quality, the nicer, the more helpful and the more stable forum. Lets compete by providing quality content, not by telling other people where they are supposed to post, shall we?
Obviously - nothing wrong to tell others that this forum is around. Just let them decide what they are doing with this information. Nothing stopping you to put lots of quality content into this forum and for sure everybody will come just to read it here and contribute.
Competition is good for markets ... no matter whether they are about selling goods, offering services or exchanging information.
ST isn't the only nzx based forum. Hot copper also has an area for nz but it isn't frequented much
Well the membership is slowly growing on here which is great and the atmosphere is predominantly cordial which is also pleasant, lets just not have any toxic political or Coronavirus threads or things will deteriorate, massively polarized topics always seem to bring out the worst and are circular like a cat chasing its tail.
Its truly wonderful to have very high caliber posters like KW, Minimoke, Snapati, Crackity and Left Field to name just five posters who were shockingly treated by the other site, sharing their wisdom on a public forum again.
I'm banned for ever on ST for one comment. The mods over there are the most thin skinned people. This platform seems to have much better tech
Looks like someone has b*&&*d ST again this arbo ..
QuoteThis site can't be reached
Darn rude -- not even a "Sorry Folks - We're out of Action" notice :)
Perhaps they need to get Willie Jackson on to fixing it :)
No "Out of Action" notice this time either ;)
Back up again by 7:15 looking at the posts
Quote from: kasper on Jul 08, 2022, 09:51 AMWell the membership is slowly growing on here which is great and the atmosphere is predominantly cordial which is also pleasant, lets just not have any toxic political or Coronavirus threads or things will deteriorate, massively polarized topics always seem to bring out the worst and are circular like a cat chasing its tail.
people will always want to talk about these things though, I suspect that is why I was banned...forever...no reason given...because I hold a contrary position to the gubmint...on just about everything actually...
But anyways, maybe there could be some sort of bull pen section where if you go in there you better put your big boy pants on. That way folks who engage in there have to know that the innernet is a dangerous place
*sharp inhale* Heresy! heh
Quote from: kasper on Jul 28, 2022, 09:32 AMFor sure, trouble is over there you have people like that guy fish acting as judge/jury and executioner all in one and things turn nasty because some are so narrow minded they can't even consider thinking outside of their tiny little keyboard warrior mindset. As it turns out you now have plenty of people who have had 4 shots getting just as sick as those that had none etc etc.
Fish on ST is a doctor - I'd at least consider his viewpoint on medical matters.....
Quote from: arekaywhy on Jul 28, 2022, 06:02 AMmaybe there could be some sort of bull pen section where if you go in there you better put your big boy pants on. That way folks who engage in there have to know that the innernet is a dangerous place
In my opinion it has been demonstrated countless times that arguments and bad blood created in one thread always infects other threads. Additionally, the moderation load from having a highly contentious topic being argued over would be much higher than multiple regular threads. I see very little value in creating a place for these discussions, as I don't believe they are anything more than shouting matches. Who here can honestly say they are open to having their views changed on something like coronavirus, politics or climate change by someone on an online forum?
Quote from: Administrator on Jul 28, 2022, 01:53 PMIn my opinion it has been demonstrated countless times that arguments and bad blood created in one thread always infects other threads. Additionally, the moderation load from having a highly contentious topic being argued over would be much higher than multiple regular threads. I see very little value in creating a place for these discussions, as I don't believe they are anything more than shouting matches. Who here can honestly say they are open to having their views changed on something like coronavirus, politics or climate change by someone on an online forum?
Exactly, extremely polarized views will never change and threads promoting them only leads to ugliness and posters falling out with each other and more work for yourself to boot.
Quote from: kasper on Jul 28, 2022, 01:57 PMExactly, extremely polarized views will never change and threads promoting them only leads to ugliness and posters falling out with each other and more work for yourself to boot.
Well said.
Good to see the discussion on this site's NZX thread sticking (mainly) to investing in NZX companies.
Long may it last.
Quote from: Administrator on Jul 28, 2022, 01:53 PMIn my opinion it has been demonstrated countless times that arguments and bad blood created in one thread always infects other threads. Additionally, the moderation load from having a highly contentious topic being argued over would be much higher than multiple regular threads. I see very little value in creating a place for these discussions, as I don't believe they are anything more than shouting matches. Who here can honestly say they are open to having their views changed on something like coronavirus, politics or climate change by someone on an online forum?
Good points, and ultimately, I come here for discussions about investing in companies and such, but then I do see it is useful to look at how other events/issues affect market decisions. This is a difficult one.
It is a shame that too many folks have thin skins.
Quote from: Administrator on Jul 28, 2022, 01:53 PMIn my opinion it has been demonstrated countless times that arguments and bad blood created in one thread always infects other threads. Additionally, the moderation load from having a highly contentious topic being argued over would be much higher than multiple regular threads. I see very little value in creating a place for these discussions, as I don't believe they are anything more than shouting matches. Who here can honestly say they are open to having their views changed on something like coronavirus, politics or climate change by someone on an online forum?
Agree 100%. Politics, religion, climate change, all things woke and ESG and well as last but by no means least, Covid...lets just leave those "debates" for other forums elsewhere to manage.
Need to get back to finding a really good boat at a fair price..that's something really difficult !
Quote from: Basil on Jul 28, 2022, 03:18 PMAgree 100%. Politics, religion, climate change, all things woke and ESG and well as last but by no means least, Covid...lets just leave those "debates" for other forums elsewhere to manage.
Need to get back to finding a really good boat at a fair price..that's something really difficult !
Went to Surtees factory recently, top product if you can live with the aluminium hull issues
This https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/boats-marine/motorboats/listing/3697595690
but multiple offers already :(
Anyway...back on topic...I don't know how others feel but for me a month on from escaping that asylum I am feeling much better for my new sense of freedom so I really appreciate the help I got from the usual suspects who gave me so much "fan mail" over there that helped me escape. They did me a huge favour and the general tone of this place and standard of moderation here is off the charts better than over there.
Long may the generally polite and cordial exchanges of different points of view and information sharing on here continue !!
A win win outcome.
Every body is happy...lol
Indeed, although some ST posters miss the dog and the dog misses some people on there but certainly not all of them LOL
And another DATABASE ERROR over yonder
Quote from: nztx on Aug 05, 2022, 11:07 AMAnd another DATABASE ERROR over yonder
Time for posters to give up on their antiquated ideas of keeping a dinosaur on life support.
Pull the plug guys and let it die in dignity.
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Admin might like to merge the threads
https://stocktalk.co.nz/index.php?topic=64.30
Quote from: Minimoke on Aug 05, 2022, 12:49 PMAdmin might like to merge the threads
https://stocktalk.co.nz/index.php?topic=64.30
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The membership is slowly growing and to my knowledge has not had the same issues as the other site. Would be good if others stopped posting on other site as this will lead to more people wondering and looking for alternatives.
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She is down again two hours earlier than suggested. The message is go and get some fish and chips for dinner. Vince rightly deduces it is too wet to mow the lawns. Could be 'out' for the rest of the day now?
RB
(Edit: That is interesting, ten minutes later and the the search database is rebuilt and the unmentionable website back up and running. Shut down still scheduled for 11:45am I guess?)
(Edit 2: 10:50am and the site is undergoing early? maintenance.)
Quote from: Red Baron on Dec 20, 2022, 09:49 AMShe is down again two hours earlier than suggested. The message is go and get some fish and chips for dinner. Vince rightly deduces it is too wet to mow the lawns. Could be 'out' for the rest of the day now?
RB
(Edit: That is interesting, ten minutes later and the the search database is rebuilt and the unmentionable website back up and running. Shut down still scheduled for 11:45am I guess?)
(Edit 2: 10:50am and the site is undergoing early? maintenance.)
I wonder how many posts and posters will be cancelled in the process.
Quote from: Minimoke on Dec 20, 2022, 11:07 AMI wonder how many posts and posters will be cancelled in the process.
It's well worth reading Sharetraders' T&C's - they're probably not legally enforceable but they highlight the 'thinking' behind the site:
3. Users will not use Sharetrader to advertise or sell products or services (including financial products and services such as securities) to others; or for spamming purposes to promote or encourage members to purchase products, services, or membership recruitment to others; doing so may incur a fee
4. Charge such User a spamming or advertising fee as follows;
1. NZ$1,000 + gst per post, private message or user signature containing or suspected of containing any of the abovementioned in 3.
2. By registering on the forum such User unconditionally and legally agrees to pay any invoice related to spamming (3) sent by Tarawera within 7 (seven) days from the date of invoice.
3. By registering on the Sharetrader Forum such User also unconditionally agrees to pay all collection costs, legal costs and any associated costs incurred and recovery of any debt.
Termination of Agreement and/or Service
Nothing in this Agreement prohibits Tarawera from terminating a Users access to any of the services provided by Sharetrader or terminating the Sharetrader site altogether without notice and for any reason.
Real friendly, eh.
Quote from: Hectorplains on Dec 28, 2022, 02:36 PMIt's well worth reading Sharetraders' T&C's - they're probably not legally enforceable but they highlight the 'thinking' behind the site:
3. Users will not use Sharetrader to advertise or sell products or services (including financial products and services such as securities) to others; or for spamming purposes to promote or encourage members to purchase products, services, or membership recruitment to others; doing so may incur a fee
4. Charge such User a spamming or advertising fee as follows;
1. NZ$1,000 + gst per post, private message or user signature containing or suspected of containing any of the abovementioned in 3.
2. By registering on the forum such User unconditionally and legally agrees to pay any invoice related to spamming (3) sent by Tarawera within 7 (seven) days from the date of invoice.
3. By registering on the Sharetrader Forum such User also unconditionally agrees to pay all collection costs, legal costs and any associated costs incurred and recovery of any debt.
Termination of Agreement and/or Service
Nothing in this Agreement prohibits Tarawera from terminating a Users access to any of the services provided by Sharetrader or terminating the Sharetrader site altogether without notice and for any reason.
Real friendly, eh.
To be fair ... I remember the share holders association NZSA talked with them some years ago and they said its ok if we use them to provide relevant information about our work and events (which inevitable is as well some sort of promotion).
I guess the idea of these rules is to avoid various advisors / consultants and similar to use the forum to market their services for personal gain.
Not sure, I do see what's so terrible about these rules ... and I never heard about them being applied anyway.
Did you?
Quote from: BlackPeter on Dec 30, 2022, 11:31 AMTo be fair ... I remember the share holders association NZSA talked with them some years ago and they said its ok if we use them to provide relevant information about our work and events (which inevitable is as well some sort of promotion).
I guess the idea of these rules is to avoid various advisors / consultants and similar to use the forum to market their services for personal gain.
Not sure, I do see what's so terrible about these rules ... and I never heard about them being applied anyway.
Did you?
Yes they have - in two words: Fat Portfolio.
Quote from: Hectorplains on Dec 30, 2022, 11:41 AMYes they have - in two words: Fat Portfolio.
Interesting. Not sure though, how above rules would have worked in that case. Are you able to enlarge on that?
Hmmm, that's not really my story to be telling. However; my access to NZ Sharetrader was "terminated" at that time. Apparently I remain on the members list but I can't access my account and I got no replies to my emails requesting an explanation. I can assume my heinous crime was in joining Fat P.
Quote from: Hectorplains on Dec 30, 2022, 12:46 PMHmmm, that's not really my story to be telling. However; my access to NZ Sharetrader was "terminated" at that time. Apparently I remain on the members list but I can't access my account and I got no replies to my emails requesting an explanation. I can assume my heinous crime was in joining Fat P.
Not sure. Many were on both forums without having to suffer strange and unusual punishments.
Unless you attacked the moderator or something similar, maybe it was just one of their quite frequent IT glitches (including finger trouble). Not sure their IT system and processes arrived already in this century.
I lost access to 'the other site' (ShareTrader.co.nz) a couple of weeks back when I changed my password and tried to update my email address. Can view most forums, but not post or anything else.
I haven't been able to get a response from the site operator. Tried creating a new account (not a sock puppet!), but that also has the same limited access issue.
It seems account verifications are broken, and the operator is AWOL.
I'm starting to wonder if that site is zombified, and whether it's a matter of time before it goes offline completely.
I better not comment lol
This website is considerably better than the other channel in these areas: stability, smoothness of experience, feature set, aesthetic. The only thing better on the other channel is volume (posters and posts). The reason I think for not posting on here but posting on the other one is not knowing about this one.
Az per ze title. Down all day?
RBD
Check your system. Worked all day for me.
Well the English version, not sure about the German one.
Quote from: 777 on Nov 26, 2025, 06:53 PMCheck your system. Worked all day for me.
Well the English version, not sure about the German one.
Ztayung vith ze rellies, planning my takeover. Just noticed no ads. James mentioned zomething about browsers vith ad blockers being locked out of Zharetrader? Could be ze reason. Or perhaps ze German authorities have locked me out to disrupt my revolutionary vunding?
RB
Quote from: Red Baron on Nov 26, 2025, 08:25 PMZtayung vith ze rellies, planning my takeover. Just noticed no ads. James mentioned zomething about browsers vith ad blockers being locked out of Zharetrader? Could be ze reason. Or perhaps ze German authorities have locked me out to disrupt my revolutionary vunding?
RB
Ze authorities must be onto me. Vent to ze library and ze 'Sharetrader' site eez still unreachable!
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The web page at https://www.sharetrader.co.nz/ might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address.
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However ads are vorking and come through on zhis 'stocktalk.co.nz' site. Zo doesn't look like eet eez an ad blocking issue
RB
Has not worked for me for a while either. I'm not bothered
Strange. I haven't been having a problem.