Pretty shocking these days and will get worse when the Government wind back their temporary reduction in fuel excise of 25 cents a liter + GST, perhaps in mid August. https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/129191698/car-101-tips-to-make-that-tank-of-petrol-go-further
Quote from: Basil on Jul 07, 2022, 10:09 AMPretty shocking these days and will get worse when the Government wind back their temporary reduction in fuel excise of 25 cents a liter + GST, perhaps in mid August. https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/129191698/car-101-tips-to-make-that-tank-of-petrol-go-further
Why would you say this? Fuel always used to be ways to cheap in NZ ... and it still is.
In many parts of the world is the liter of petrol already for many years over (what would be in NZ) $4. Have a look e.g. into Italy or France. Does not impact in any way their quality of life, but yes, maybe they use in these countries a bit more economical cars and more walking in towns. Less senseless burning of fuel. Tough.
Lets hope fuel prices stays high enough for long enough to allow all these petrol heads in NZ to retire their gas guzzlers and relearn to use their feet, the bike, public transport or at least some more economic cars, shall we?
Unlimited gas guzzling is destroying our climate and people complain that petrol is too dear. I guess the only benefit I can see for cheaper petrol is that it will bring us faster down to hell. Is this what you want?
Quote from: BlackPeter on Jul 07, 2022, 10:54 AMQuote from: Basil on Jul 07, 2022, 10:09 AMPretty shocking these days and will get worse when the Government wind back their temporary reduction in fuel excise of 25 cents a liter + GST, perhaps in mid August. https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/129191698/car-101-tips-to-make-that-tank-of-petrol-go-further
Why would you say this? Fuel always used to be ways to cheap in NZ ... and it still is.
In many parts of the world is the liter of petrol already for many years over (what would be in NZ) $4. Have a look e.g. into Italy or France. Does not impact in any way their quality of life, but yes, maybe they use in these countries a bit more economical cars and more walking in towns. Less senseless burning of fuel. Tough.
Lets hope fuel prices stays high enough for long enough to allow all these petrol heads in NZ to retire their gas guzzlers and relearn to use their feet, the bike, public transport or at least some more economic cars, shall we?
Unlimited gas guzzling is destroying our climate and people complain that petrol is too dear. I guess the only benefit I can see for cheaper petrol is that it will bring us faster down to hell. Is this what you want?
Lol the results of a latest study show that classic cars are less damaging to the environment than an EV quite simply because they do far fewer miles on average, I drive my 9.3 liter V8 1970 Jag a max of 1000k/yr, so bottom line is not all gas guzzlers have a substantial impact on C02 levels, has to run on 98 though and only does 4.5k/liter. A classic car has a 563kg C02 footprint compared to 6800kg for an average fuel car and an EV has a 26000kg C02 production footprint but then a zero emission driving footprint meaning I would need to drive my classic car for at least 46 yrs to equal the damage done by an EV.
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I am seeing the top end of the boat market slow down dramatically with diesel @ $3 a liter.
Not sure they will sell many of these at $A6.6m each + options.
10,200 liter fuel tank and a fuel burn of 472 liters an hour at cruise speed = ~ 8 liters of spent fuel per minute ($24 a minute to run it) going into the environment. Hmmm
https://boatingnz.co.nz/boat-reviews/riviera-78-motor-yacht/
Sail boats have never looked so good lol
In 1997 diesel was 41 cents a liter, now its $3 more than 7 times the price !
Quote from: kasper on Jul 07, 2022, 11:07 AMQuote from: BlackPeter on Jul 07, 2022, 10:54 AMQuote from: Basil on Jul 07, 2022, 10:09 AMPretty shocking these days and will get worse when the Government wind back their temporary reduction in fuel excise of 25 cents a liter + GST, perhaps in mid August. https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/129191698/car-101-tips-to-make-that-tank-of-petrol-go-further
Why would you say this? Fuel always used to be ways to cheap in NZ ... and it still is.
In many parts of the world is the liter of petrol already for many years over (what would be in NZ) $4. Have a look e.g. into Italy or France. Does not impact in any way their quality of life, but yes, maybe they use in these countries a bit more economical cars and more walking in towns. Less senseless burning of fuel. Tough.
Lets hope fuel prices stays high enough for long enough to allow all these petrol heads in NZ to retire their gas guzzlers and relearn to use their feet, the bike, public transport or at least some more economic cars, shall we?
Unlimited gas guzzling is destroying our climate and people complain that petrol is too dear. I guess the only benefit I can see for cheaper petrol is that it will bring us faster down to hell. Is this what you want?
Lol the results of a latest study show that classic cars are less damaging to the environment than an EV quite simply because they do far fewer miles on average, I drive my 9.3 liter V8 1970 Jag a max of 1000k/yr, so bottom line is not all gas guzzlers have a substantial impact on C02 levels, has to run on 98 though and only does 4.5k/liter. A classic car has a 563kg C02 footprint compared to 6800kg for an average fuel car and an EV has a 26000kg C02 production footprint but then a zero emission driving footprint meaning I would need to drive my classic car for at least 46 yrs to equal the damage done by an EV.
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Not quite sure I get your point. Are you proposing we just all buy a frugal vintage car, stop using the SUV but don't use the vintage car either for transport? Well, you get full points on that from me, this would be one solution to the climate crisis. You could even improve on that. Dump the vintage car and walk.
I didn't propose we should all buy EV cars and keep driving as much as before. Interesting is - mankind survived for the last million years (but the last 110 or so) without driving any cars, and some of them not even bad. The solution is clearly in reducing our overall footprint ... less overall consumption - not changing from one form of pollution to another.
Will we get there? Given that the world is full of selfish idiots and dinosaurs would I assume we will get there eventually, but only on the way through hell. Give it a handful of hundred years with quite negative impacts of climate change, droughts, floodings and the moving of larger and larger number of people and more and more devatating wars to fignt for not enough resources ... and the few who will survive this time of natural catastrophies, wars and mass migration might find somewhere on the globe a place where the new climate allows them to survive.
Well - until they managed to reproduce enough to get into the same misery again.
All good - nature always sorts itself out and humans are currently just a bit too many, too greedy and too selfish for this planet. Nature is currently hitting back.
Quote from: BlackPeter on Jul 07, 2022, 11:35 AMQuote from: kasper on Jul 07, 2022, 11:07 AMQuote from: BlackPeter on Jul 07, 2022, 10:54 AMQuote from: Basil on Jul 07, 2022, 10:09 AMPretty shocking these days and will get worse when the Government wind back their temporary reduction in fuel excise of 25 cents a liter + GST, perhaps in mid August. https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/129191698/car-101-tips-to-make-that-tank-of-petrol-go-further
Why would you say this? Fuel always used to be ways to cheap in NZ ... and it still is.
In many parts of the world is the liter of petrol already for many years over (what would be in NZ) $4. Have a look e.g. into Italy or France. Does not impact in any way their quality of life, but yes, maybe they use in these countries a bit more economical cars and more walking in towns. Less senseless burning of fuel. Tough.
Lets hope fuel prices stays high enough for long enough to allow all these petrol heads in NZ to retire their gas guzzlers and relearn to use their feet, the bike, public transport or at least some more economic cars, shall we?
Unlimited gas guzzling is destroying our climate and people complain that petrol is too dear. I guess the only benefit I can see for cheaper petrol is that it will bring us faster down to hell. Is this what you want?
Lol the results of a latest study show that classic cars are less damaging to the environment than an EV quite simply because they do far fewer miles on average, I drive my 9.3 liter V8 1970 Jag a max of 1000k/yr, so bottom line is not all gas guzzlers have a substantial impact on C02 levels, has to run on 98 though and only does 4.5k/liter. A classic car has a 563kg C02 footprint compared to 6800kg for an average fuel car and an EV has a 26000kg C02 production footprint but then a zero emission driving footprint meaning I would need to drive my classic car for at least 46 yrs to equal the damage done by an EV.
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Not quite sure I get your point. Are you proposing we just all buy a frugal vintage car, stop using the SUV but don't use the vintage car either for transport? Well, you get full points on that from me, this would be one solution to the climate crisis. You could even improve on that. Dump the vintage car and walk.
I didn't propose we should all buy EV cars and keep driving as much as before. Interesting is - mankind survived for the last million years (but the last 110 or so) without driving any cars, and some of them not even bad. The solution is clearly in reducing our overall footprint ... less overall consumption - not changing from one form of pollution to another.
Will we get there? Given that the world is full of selfish idiots and dinosaurs would I assume we will get there eventually, but only on the way through hell. Give it a handful of hundred years with quite negative impacts of climate change, droughts, floodings and the moving of larger and larger number of people and more and more devatating wars to fignt for not enough resources ... and the few who will survive this time of natural catastrophies, wars and mass migration might find somewhere on the globe a place where the new climate allows them to survive.
Well - until they managed to reproduce enough to get into the same misery again.
All good - nature always sorts itself out and humans are currently just a bit too many, too greedy and too selfish for this planet. Nature is currently hitting back.
Well I'm quite happy with my contribution to climate change reduction, I only drive 2000k per year in my normal car and use the ski bus whilst in Q/town and my wife only uses public transport whilst she is there also. PS-You will also be pleased to know that we caught the train when we attended the WGTN protest to boot. ;D
Quote from: BlackPeter on Jul 07, 2022, 10:54 AMQuote from: Basil on Jul 07, 2022, 10:09 AMPretty shocking these days and will get worse when the Government wind back their temporary reduction in fuel excise of 25 cents a liter + GST, perhaps in mid August. https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/129191698/car-101-tips-to-make-that-tank-of-petrol-go-further
Why would you say this? Fuel always used to be ways to cheap in NZ ... and it still is.
In many parts of the world is the liter of petrol already for many years over (what would be in NZ) $4. Have a look e.g. into Italy or France. Does not impact in any way their quality of life, but yes, maybe they use in these countries a bit more economical cars and more walking in towns. Less senseless burning of fuel. Tough.
Lets hope fuel prices stays high enough for long enough to allow all these petrol heads in NZ to retire their gas guzzlers and relearn to use their feet, the bike, public transport or at least some more economic cars, shall we?
Unlimited gas guzzling is destroying our climate and people complain that petrol is too dear. I guess the only benefit I can see for cheaper petrol is that it will bring us faster down to hell. Is this what you want?
Amy one who thinks the cost of fuel in nz impacts climate change is nuts.
In the USA its costing about us$5.00 a gallon.
And 6.7l RAM trucks seems to dominate the vehicle market. I don't think I have seen anything less than a 2 litre vehicle.
Quote from: Minimoke on Jul 07, 2022, 03:19 PMQuote from: BlackPeter on Jul 07, 2022, 10:54 AMQuote from: Basil on Jul 07, 2022, 10:09 AMPretty shocking these days and will get worse when the Government wind back their temporary reduction in fuel excise of 25 cents a liter + GST, perhaps in mid August. https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/129191698/car-101-tips-to-make-that-tank-of-petrol-go-further
Why would you say this? Fuel always used to be ways to cheap in NZ ... and it still is.
In many parts of the world is the liter of petrol already for many years over (what would be in NZ) $4. Have a look e.g. into Italy or France. Does not impact in any way their quality of life, but yes, maybe they use in these countries a bit more economical cars and more walking in towns. Less senseless burning of fuel. Tough.
Lets hope fuel prices stays high enough for long enough to allow all these petrol heads in NZ to retire their gas guzzlers and relearn to use their feet, the bike, public transport or at least some more economic cars, shall we?
Unlimited gas guzzling is destroying our climate and people complain that petrol is too dear. I guess the only benefit I can see for cheaper petrol is that it will bring us faster down to hell. Is this what you want?
Amy one who thinks the cost of fuel in nz impacts climate change is nuts.
In the USA its costing about us$5.00 a gallon.
And 6.7l RAM trucks seems to dominate the vehicle market. I don't think I have seen anything less than a 2 litre vehicle.
Anybody who does not see that the cost of fuel impacts on climate change is nuts. Not an opinion - this is a fact :) ;
Not quite sure what you want to say with the reminder of your post? Probably just a confirmation af above?
Quote from: BlackPeter on Jul 07, 2022, 05:06 PMQuote from: Minimoke on Jul 07, 2022, 03:19 PMQuote from: BlackPeter on Jul 07, 2022, 10:54 AMQuote from: Basil on Jul 07, 2022, 10:09 AMPretty shocking these days and will get worse when the Government wind back their temporary reduction in fuel excise of 25 cents a liter + GST, perhaps in mid August. https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/129191698/car-101-tips-to-make-that-tank-of-petrol-go-further
Why would you say this? Fuel always used to be ways to cheap in NZ ... and it still is.
In many parts of the world is the liter of petrol already for many years over (what would be in NZ) $4. Have a look e.g. into Italy or France. Does not impact in any way their quality of life, but yes, maybe they use in these countries a bit more economical cars and more walking in towns. Less senseless burning of fuel. Tough.
Lets hope fuel prices stays high enough for long enough to allow all these petrol heads in NZ to retire their gas guzzlers and relearn to use their feet, the bike, public transport or at least some more economic cars, shall we?
Unlimited gas guzzling is destroying our climate and people complain that petrol is too dear. I guess the only benefit I can see for cheaper petrol is that it will bring us faster down to hell. Is this what you want?
Amy one who thinks the cost of fuel in nz impacts climate change is nuts.
In the USA its costing about us$5.00 a gallon.
And 6.7l RAM trucks seems to dominate the vehicle market. I don't think I have seen anything less than a 2 litre vehicle.
Anybody who does not see that the cost of fuel impacts on climate change is nuts. Not an opinion - this is a fact :) ;
Not quite sure what you want to say with the reminder of your post? Probably just a confirmation af above?
if we are to go down this rabbit hole we should understand that nz's total contribution to climate damaging emissions is infintesable. And fuel makes up a sub set of that. And pricing a subset of that.
Quote from: Minimoke on Jul 08, 2022, 06:59 AMQuote from: BlackPeter on Jul 07, 2022, 05:06 PMQuote from: Minimoke on Jul 07, 2022, 03:19 PMQuote from: BlackPeter on Jul 07, 2022, 10:54 AMQuote from: Basil on Jul 07, 2022, 10:09 AMPretty shocking these days and will get worse when the Government wind back their temporary reduction in fuel excise of 25 cents a liter + GST, perhaps in mid August. https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/129191698/car-101-tips-to-make-that-tank-of-petrol-go-further
Why would you say this? Fuel always used to be ways to cheap in NZ ... and it still is.
In many parts of the world is the liter of petrol already for many years over (what would be in NZ) $4. Have a look e.g. into Italy or France. Does not impact in any way their quality of life, but yes, maybe they use in these countries a bit more economical cars and more walking in towns. Less senseless burning of fuel. Tough.
Lets hope fuel prices stays high enough for long enough to allow all these petrol heads in NZ to retire their gas guzzlers and relearn to use their feet, the bike, public transport or at least some more economic cars, shall we?
Unlimited gas guzzling is destroying our climate and people complain that petrol is too dear. I guess the only benefit I can see for cheaper petrol is that it will bring us faster down to hell. Is this what you want?
Amy one who thinks the cost of fuel in nz impacts climate change is nuts.
In the USA its costing about us$5.00 a gallon.
And 6.7l RAM trucks seems to dominate the vehicle market. I don't think I have seen anything less than a 2 litre vehicle.
Anybody who does not see that the cost of fuel impacts on climate change is nuts. Not an opinion - this is a fact :) ;
Not quite sure what you want to say with the reminder of your post? Probably just a confirmation af above?
if we are to go down this rabbit hole we should understand that nz's total contribution to climate damaging emissions is infintesable. And fuel makes up a sub set of that. And pricing a subset of that.
Any persons consumption makes only an infinitesimal contribution to global warming. Following your argumentation this means nobody needs to change anything - no single American person, no single Chinese and no single Kiwi, given that their individual contribution is so small.
It is pretty clear that the majority of individuals will need to reduce their carbon output - and given that NZ is on a per capita basis belonging to the worst polluters on the globe, there are very good reasons for us to go into the leading group reducing our carbon output.
why would you suggest we impoverish ourselves for the sake of fake science and 50 years of failed predictions of doom?
It might be time to have another look at the evidence all around us that prosperity comes from fossil fuels. Cleaning up our environment THEN follows.
Another point, we seem to focus on the pain at the pump for ourselves, when fuel cost directly affects those that produce our food and then we pay for that all over again...
Quote from: BlackPeter on Jul 08, 2022, 08:47 AMWhy would you say this? Fuel always used to be ways to cheap in NZ ... and it still is.
In many parts of the world is the liter of petrol already for many years over (what would be in NZ) $4. Have a look e.g. into Italy or France. Does not impact in any way their quality of life, but yes, maybe they use in these countries a bit more economical cars and more walking in towns. Less senseless burning of fuel. Tough.
Lets hope fuel prices stays high enough for long enough to allow all these petrol heads in NZ to retire their gas guzzlers and relearn to use their feet, the bike, public transport or at least some more economic cars, shall we?
Unlimited gas guzzling is destroying our climate and people complain that petrol is too dear. I guess the only benefit I can see for cheaper petrol is that it will bring us faster down to hell. Is this what you want?
Amy one who thinks the cost of fuel in nz impacts climate change is nuts.
In the USA its costing about us$5.00 a gallon.
And 6.7l RAM trucks seems to dominate the vehicle market. I don't think I have seen anything less than a 2 litre vehicle.
Anybody who does not see that the cost of fuel impacts on climate change is nuts. Not an opinion - this is a fact :) ;
Not quite sure what you want to say with the reminder of your post? Probably just a confirmation af above?
if we are to go down this rabbit hole we should understand that nz's total contribution to climate damaging emissions is infintesable. And fuel makes up a sub set of that. And pricing a subset of that.
Any persons consumption makes only an infinitesimal contribution to global warming. Following your argumentation this means nobody needs to change anything - no single American person, no single Chinese and no single Kiwi, given that their individual contribution is so small.
It is pretty clear that the majority of individuals will need to reduce their carbon output - and given that NZ is on a per capita basis belonging to the worst polluters on the globe, there are very good reasons for us to go into the leading group reducing our carbon output.
Not global warming cause its not all warm and not man produced climate change either, cyclical climate change for sure.
Quote from: kasper on Jul 25, 2022, 04:44 PMNot global warming cause its not all warm and not man produced climate change either, cyclical climate change for sure.
Maybe we should stick with the scientific method and facts.
If you prefer to put your faith into the remaining handful of (admittedly noisy) dinosaurs and talking heads who spew out their irrational believes, this is fine, but just leave the rest of mankind to deal with climate change.
Like it or not - men caused climate change is a fact. Do your research.
Quote from: BlackPeter on Jul 28, 2022, 09:59 AMMaybe we should stick with the scientific method and facts.
If you prefer to put your faith into the remaining handful of (admittedly noisy) dinosaurs and talking heads who spew out their irrational believes, this is fine, but just leave the rest of mankind to deal with climate change.
Like it or not - men caused climate change is a fact. Do your research.
A fact according to numpties like Al Gore, yeah right. PS-I have a low carbon footprint so attend to your own knitting.
Gull have 15c/l off today and tomorrow morning:
"From 7am Wednesday 12th July until 12pm midday Thursday 13th July 2023 we're dropping the price of all fuel grades, at all Gull sites"
The Gull effect may cause others to be 'cheaper' for the same time period eg:
Costco currently $2.287 /l and the nearby PakandSave Westgate at $2.397 /l before the 6c/l discount.
The fuel 'specials' I referred to yesterday (above) have come and gone although at the time of writing this Costco is still at $2.287 /l.
But just in time for our long Matariki weekend the major supermarkets have offers of up to 40c per litre off for a $200 grocery spend.
Eg:
https://www.paknsave.co.nz/fuel
Quote from: Onemootpoint on Jul 13, 2023, 06:54 PMThe fuel 'specials' I referred to yesterday (above) have come and gone although at the time of writing this Costco is still at $2.287 /l.
But just in time for our long Matariki weekend the major supermarkets have offers of up to 40c per litre off for a $200 grocery spend.
Eg:
https://www.paknsave.co.nz/fuel
Have you got the GASPY APP ? Good way to get the best price .
Quote from: Stoploss on Jul 13, 2023, 08:02 PMHave you got the GASPY APP ? Good way to get the best price .
It is a good app, for in-between the 'specials', but most times it involves burning off more kilometres of fuel getting to the best price, than it does buying the fuel at a higher price more local.
The New World special for a couple of days, as an example, is 40 cents off per litre, for some fuel vouchers, which for a $200 spend in shop (a few packets of crisps, a bottle or two of wine and a couple of makings for dinners) is better than Gaspy at the pump.
I guess it depends on whether you're really interested in getting the best price fuel, or happy to wing it and take whatever price is on offer at the time, or even if you burn off 5-10-20 kilometres to find the lowest price at the pump.
Quote from: Stoploss on Jul 13, 2023, 08:02 PMHave you got the GASPY APP ? Good way to get the best price .
Yes, thanks; useful app. Have had it since soon after inception.
Quote from: Buzz on Jul 13, 2023, 09:10 PMIt is a good app, for in-between the 'specials', but most times it involves burning off more kilometres of fuel getting to the best price, than it does buying the fuel at a higher price more local.
The New World special for a couple of days, as an example, is 40 cents off per litre, for some fuel vouchers, which for a $200 spend in shop (a few packets of crisps, a bottle or two of wine and a couple of makings for dinners) is better than Gaspy at the pump.
I guess it depends on whether you're really interested in getting the best price fuel, or happy to wing it and take whatever price is on offer at the time, or even if you burn off 5-10-20 kilometres to find the lowest price at the pump.
True. No point veering off one's route spending dollars to save a few cents. But useful to now what's on one's way.
Sometimes the stars align: :)
Fuel tank empty, and
Need to buy groceries from my local/ usual place,
PakandSave which has a fuel station,
With competitive pricing for the area, and
The combo is on my usual route, and
I get a 40c per litre off which is a significant saving.
Fuel has really shot up in the last couple of months; 25c plus gst, oil up, NZ$ down and now this (potentially):
Fuel tax will increase 12 cents for new transport projects and road repairs
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132761629/fuel-tax-will-increase-12-cents-for-new-transport-projects-and-road-repairs
Quote from: Onemootpoint on Aug 18, 2023, 12:12 AMFuel has really shot up in the last couple of months; 25c plus gst, oil up, NZ$ down and now this (potentially):
Fuel tax will increase 12 cents for new transport projects and road repairs
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132761629/fuel-tax-will-increase-12-cents-for-new-transport-projects-and-road-repairs
Dont fret. All the money you will save from the GST off your fresh fruit and vege will pay for it.
Thank goodness for that; that and the 4c per litre discount at Gull today. 😆