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Basil

#210
Quote from: Basil on Aug 23, 2024, 12:05 PMProperty stocks benefit in quite a number of ways from lower interest rates and quite obviously we're now only just past the point of inflection where the cycle has turned.

Benefits include but are not limited too:-
1. Lower funding costs going forward, (ARG have just over a two year weighted average term to run on their loans so will benefit nicely when those are refixed
2. The economy improving enabling a stronger leasing market and better outcomes on rent review negotiations leading to more income
3. Lower future capitalization rates of lease income such that NTA increases when assessed by the valuers
4. Better outcomes for new builds and new tenant enquiry

Additionally, Investors value their tax free PIE income distributions more highly as by comparison to what they can get elsewhere in the market, the dividends look highly attractive.

I expect ARG to rerate gradually to circa $1.60 over the next few years.  The initial bounce from $1.02 where I initially took a large stake, is just a bounce off a very heavily oversold position, i.e. low hanging fruit.

It's clear the economy is very weak so I expect a lot more cuts to come from the RBNZ, sooner rather than later.  Even at $1.18 for ARG, 6.65 cps annual dividends gives 5.64% tax free income = 8.42% gross for 33% taxpayers.  That plus capital gains are highly attractive as we swiftly head into a lower interest environment.  ARG also have a track record of on average, slowly growing dividends over time, unlike KPG who have a truly shocking track record of shrinking them over time.
Surprised how some of the property stocks have got hammered this month given imminent rate cut expectations of RBNZ, noting the Fed's 50 basis point cut this week and hoping RBNZ follow suit, (our economy is in far worse shape than theirs's in my opinion).
Very heavy selling in ARG this week, down to $1.045 at close on Friday.
Forecasting 6.65 cps dividends for FY25 and noting a very stable and consistent track record of dividend payments in previous years with some modest growth in same, and being a fully tax paid PIE fund that makes the effective gross yield for 33% taxpayers of 9.5% (6.65 / 104.5/ 0.67 x 100), which I think is quite an extraordinary opportunity given the direction of interest rate travel and its effects as noted in my post above.  Opportunity knocks ?
Disc: Good sized position in ARG.

BlackPeter

Quote from: Basil on Sep 22, 2024, 01:10 PMSurprised how some of the property stocks have got hammered this month given imminent rate cut expectations of RBNZ, noting the Fed's 50 basis point cut this week and hoping RBNZ follow suit, (our economy is in far worse shape than theirs's in my opinion).
Very heavy selling in ARG this week, down to $1.045 at close on Friday.
Forecasting 6.65 cps dividends for FY25 and noting a very stable and consistent track record of dividend payments in previous years with some modest growth in same, and being a fully tax paid PIE fund that makes the effective gross yield for 33% taxpayers of 9.5% (6.65 / 104.5/ 0.67 x 100), which I think is quite an extraordinary opportunity given the direction of interest rate travel and its effects as noted in my post above.  Opportunity knocks ?
Disc: Good sized position in ARG.

Yes, I was wondering this as well. Probably all these fund managers and heavy hitters selling their property stocks to be able to fund with the proceedings their AIA capital rise and load up on Spark? Anyway - I never understood the term "smart money".

Sometimes markets are confusing (or should I say confused?), but I am pretty sure ARG will keep paying its dividends (other than with Spark I see no issue with them keep earning the money they distribute).

Anyway - holding a reasonable amount of ARG as well, and not worried. They are earmarked for many happy dividend payments and maybe a rebalance when the interest rates are scratching along the bottom. Not now.

Basil

I think the AIA capital raise sucked the wind out of the sails of the whole N.Z. market this week with some stocks getting hit harder than others.  It's been reported the NZX was down, (from memory), 2.8% this week.

LaserEyeKiwi

#213
Update.

Big fund rebalancing last week combined with the AIA cap raise sure threw a curveball into the NZX.

(Edit: updated divi %)

Basil

The yield shown for ARG is incorrect.  Rather than taking the NZX yields at face value people need to do their own calculations to see what its worth to them.

I calculated the effective gross yield of ARG for 33% taxpayers in post #210 above with workings shown as 9.5% @ a share price of $1.045

Maybe other yields shown in that table with yields being taken from the NZX are also incorrect ?

KW

Quote from: Basil on Sep 22, 2024, 01:10 PMSurprised how some of the property stocks have got hammered this month given imminent rate cut expectations of RBNZ, noting the Fed's 50 basis point cut this week and hoping RBNZ follow suit, (our economy is in far worse shape than theirs's in my opinion).
Very heavy selling in ARG this week, down to $1.045 at close on Friday.
Forecasting 6.65 cps dividends for FY25 and noting a very stable and consistent track record of dividend payments in previous years with some modest growth in same, and being a fully tax paid PIE fund that makes the effective gross yield for 33% taxpayers of 9.5% (6.65 / 104.5/ 0.67 x 100), which I think is quite an extraordinary opportunity given the direction of interest rate travel and its effects as noted in my post above.  Opportunity knocks ?
Disc: Good sized position in ARG.

VCX got whacked as well - I think its more the index rebalancing and triple witching that occurred last Friday that has distorted prices.  We'll see this week if they bounce back. 
Don't drink and buy shares in a downtrend, you bloody idiot.

LaserEyeKiwi

Quote from: Basil on Sep 23, 2024, 10:35 AMThe yield shown for ARG is incorrect.  Rather than taking the NZX yields at face value people need to do their own calculations to see what its worth to them.

I calculated the effective gross yield of ARG for 33% taxpayers in post #210 above with workings shown as 9.5% @ a share price of $1.045

Maybe other yields shown in that table with yields being taken from the NZX are also incorrect ?

Fair comment - not sure how NZX calculates it.

Perhaps I'll just add the trailing twelve dividends + imputation credits myself - and add a separate forward TTM guidance yield metric for those companies that have given them. But then it still wouldn't accurately represent the different yields for different tax payers.

Basil

#217
Quote from: LaserEyeKiwi on Sep 23, 2024, 11:04 AMFair comment - not sure how NZX calculates it.

Perhaps I'll just add the trailing twelve dividends + imputation credits myself - and add a separate forward TTM guidance yield metric for those companies that have given them. But then it still wouldn't accurately represent the different yields for different tax payers.

I think if you assume most but not all investors on here are on a 33% marginal tax rate, that would be a fair assumption.  If others are on a different rate they will have to do their own calculations or ask on here and we can help them work it out.

Yeap KW, a lot of index rebalancing last week.  For most, last Friday was not a good day to revalue one's portfolio.

KW

Quote from: Basil on Sep 23, 2024, 11:09 AMI think if you assume most but not all investors on here are on a 33% marginal tax rate, that would be a fair assumption.  If others are on a different rate they will have to do their own calculations or ask on here and we can help them work it out.

Yeap KW, a lot of index rebalancing last week.  For most, last Friday was not a good day to revalue one's portfolio.

Fortunately for fund managers, that's why they do it on the third Friday not the last lol
Don't drink and buy shares in a downtrend, you bloody idiot.

Waltzing