Climate Change

[BlackPeter]

You do realise that (way) less people than ever are losing their lives to weather events? And that 9-10 times more people succumb to cold than to heat? 

I am not even sure what point you are arguing, it seems like some sort of strawman based on a deep belief?

Unless you are a strawman I am sure you realise that the number of people killed directly in adverse weather events is quite useless to measure the impact of climate change?

Sure - some people die from storms, floodings and similar events. Whether this number goes up or down does not matter for the big climate change picture, particularly with emergency services generally improving.

What does matter is that climate change results in reduced harvests - and for some people (except strawmen) food is important.

What does matter is that climate change results in huge migration across the globe - huge areas turn less fertile or turn into desserts and if people can't get food at home they go somewhere else - which will results in huge conflicts and wars all across the globe. Anybody but a strawman would have noticed already the beginnings. Ever heard about migration crisis - in the US or in Europe or in Australia? That's so far only the first trickle of the migration tsunami started by climate change.

What does matter is that climate change will render a lot of expensive infrastructure useless (e.g. close to sea level) - and the money nations need to spend to move / replace just this infrastructure can't be used for otherwise much more important purposes.

You are talking about a strawman. I recon you have experience with that subject - for some funny reason it appears you think like a strawman and you act like a strawman. Maybe the saying with the duck is applicable ?

[Ferg]

I am not even sure what point you are arguing, it seems like some sort of strawman based on a deep belief?

It's not worth the effort engaging.

I agree with your earlier point that Ian Wishart ripped NIWA a new one when he showed the flaw in their support of media statements stating Cyclone Gabrielle was a 1 in 100 year event - by using their own data against them!  Ah the delicious irony.  Increased population and increased media reporting result in a greater reporting of any and all events nowadays.  Follow the money - there is the answer to this supposed 'global warming' I mean 'climate crisis'.

[BlackPeter]

With 2024 going into the fourth quarter the question is just will it beat 2023's records?

Just to remember - 2023 was the warmest year in the last 100.000 years - and the impact on humans is getting harder and harder to overlook (well, unless for dinos, of course):

"Over the past 15 years, over 376 million people around the world have been forcibly displaced by floods, windstorms, earthquakes, or droughts. The projection is even more staggering. By 2050, the forecast is that 1.2 billion people will become climate refugees, most of them from the countries with the least ability to deal with the fallout from climate change."

https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/broken-climate-records-2023-environment/?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwgfm3BhBeEiwAFfxrG0KEDDxwdCMTgm6zuqlXR6_08kyaxRjccIjEStwoZHuucjQF8U1GnBoClIcQAvD_BwE

[BlackPeter]

How lucky we are to have the climate dinos telling us that climate change is a non event.

I recon they should make sure the people in Otago get their message instead of complaining:

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/snow-roads-more-heavy-rain-come

Climate dinos for president ...