The Cost of Fuel

[Basil]

Pretty shocking these days and will get worse when the Government wind back their temporary reduction in fuel excise of 25 cents a liter + GST, perhaps in mid August.   https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/129191698/car-101-tips-to-make-that-tank-of-petrol-go-further

[BlackPeter]

Pretty shocking these days and will get worse when the Government wind back their temporary reduction in fuel excise of 25 cents a liter + GST, perhaps in mid August.   https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/129191698/car-101-tips-to-make-that-tank-of-petrol-go-further

Why would you say this? Fuel always used to be ways to cheap in NZ ... and it still is.

In many parts of the world is the liter of petrol already for many years over (what would be in NZ) $4. Have a look e.g. into Italy or France. Does not impact in any way their quality of life, but yes, maybe they use in these countries a bit more economical cars and more walking in towns. Less senseless burning of fuel. Tough.

Lets hope fuel prices stays high enough for long enough to allow all these petrol heads in NZ to retire their gas guzzlers and relearn to use their feet, the bike, public transport or at least some more economic cars, shall we?

Unlimited gas guzzling is destroying our climate and people complain that petrol is too dear. I guess the only benefit I can see for cheaper petrol is that it will bring us faster down to hell. Is this what you want?

[kasper]

Pretty shocking these days and will get worse when the Government wind back their temporary reduction in fuel excise of 25 cents a liter + GST, perhaps in mid August.   https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/129191698/car-101-tips-to-make-that-tank-of-petrol-go-further

Why would you say this? Fuel always used to be ways to cheap in NZ ... and it still is.

In many parts of the world is the liter of petrol already for many years over (what would be in NZ) $4. Have a look e.g. into Italy or France. Does not impact in any way their quality of life, but yes, maybe they use in these countries a bit more economical cars and more walking in towns. Less senseless burning of fuel. Tough.

Lets hope fuel prices stays high enough for long enough to allow all these petrol heads in NZ to retire their gas guzzlers and relearn to use their feet, the bike, public transport or at least some more economic cars, shall we?

Unlimited gas guzzling is destroying our climate and people complain that petrol is too dear. I guess the only benefit I can see for cheaper petrol is that it will bring us faster down to hell. Is this what you want?

Lol the results of a latest study show that classic cars are less damaging to the environment than an EV quite simply because they do far fewer miles on average, I drive my 9.3 liter V8 1970 Jag a max of 1000k/yr, so bottom line is not all gas guzzlers have a substantial impact on C02 levels, has to run on 98 though and only does 4.5k/liter. A classic car has a 563kg C02 footprint compared to 6800kg for an average fuel car and an EV has a 26000kg C02 production footprint but then a zero emission driving footprint meaning I would need to drive my classic car for at least 46 yrs to equal the damage done by an EV.
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[Basil]

I am seeing the top end of the boat market slow down dramatically with diesel @ $3 a liter.
Not sure they will sell many of these at $A6.6m each + options.
10,200 liter fuel tank and a fuel burn of 472 liters an hour at cruise speed = ~ 8 liters of spent fuel per minute ($24 a minute to run it) going into the environment.  Hmmm
https://boatingnz.co.nz/boat-reviews/riviera-78-motor-yacht/
Sail boats have never looked so good lol

In 1997 diesel was 41 cents a liter, now its $3 more than 7 times the price !

[BlackPeter]

Pretty shocking these days and will get worse when the Government wind back their temporary reduction in fuel excise of 25 cents a liter + GST, perhaps in mid August.  https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/129191698/car-101-tips-to-make-that-tank-of-petrol-go-further

Why would you say this? Fuel always used to be ways to cheap in NZ ... and it still is.

In many parts of the world is the liter of petrol already for many years over (what would be in NZ) $4. Have a look e.g. into Italy or France. Does not impact in any way their quality of life, but yes, maybe they use in these countries a bit more economical cars and more walking in towns. Less senseless burning of fuel. Tough.

Lets hope fuel prices stays high enough for long enough to allow all these petrol heads in NZ to retire their gas guzzlers and relearn to use their feet, the bike, public transport or at least some more economic cars, shall we?

Unlimited gas guzzling is destroying our climate and people complain that petrol is too dear. I guess the only benefit I can see for cheaper petrol is that it will bring us faster down to hell. Is this what you want?

Lol the results of a latest study show that classic cars are less damaging to the environment than an EV quite simply because they do far fewer miles on average, I drive my 9.3 liter V8 1970 Jag a max of 1000k/yr, so bottom line is not all gas guzzlers have a substantial impact on C02 levels, has to run on 98 though and only does 4.5k/liter. A classic car has a 563kg C02 footprint compared to 6800kg for an average fuel car and an EV has a 26000kg C02 production footprint but then a zero emission driving footprint meaning I would need to drive my classic car for at least 46 yrs to equal the damage done by an EV.
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Not quite sure I get your point. Are you proposing we just all buy a frugal vintage car, stop using the SUV  but don't use the vintage car either for transport? Well, you get full points on that from me, this would be one solution to the climate crisis. You could even improve on that. Dump the vintage car and walk.

I didn't propose we should all buy EV cars and keep driving as much as before. Interesting is - mankind survived for the last million years (but the last 110 or so) without driving any cars, and some of them not even bad. The solution is clearly in reducing our overall footprint ... less overall consumption - not changing from one form of pollution to another.

Will we get there? Given that the world is full of selfish idiots and dinosaurs would I assume we will get there eventually, but only on the way through hell. Give it a handful of hundred years with quite negative impacts of climate change, droughts, floodings and the moving of larger and larger number of people and more and more devatating wars to fignt for not enough resources ... and the few who will survive this time of natural catastrophies, wars and mass migration might find somewhere on the globe a place where the new climate allows them to survive.

Well - until they managed to reproduce enough to get into the same misery again.

All good - nature always sorts itself out and humans are currently just a bit too many, too greedy and too selfish for this planet. Nature is currently hitting back.

[kasper]

Pretty shocking these days and will get worse when the Government wind back their temporary reduction in fuel excise of 25 cents a liter + GST, perhaps in mid August.  https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/129191698/car-101-tips-to-make-that-tank-of-petrol-go-further

Why would you say this? Fuel always used to be ways to cheap in NZ ... and it still is.

In many parts of the world is the liter of petrol already for many years over (what would be in NZ) $4. Have a look e.g. into Italy or France. Does not impact in any way their quality of life, but yes, maybe they use in these countries a bit more economical cars and more walking in towns. Less senseless burning of fuel. Tough.

Lets hope fuel prices stays high enough for long enough to allow all these petrol heads in NZ to retire their gas guzzlers and relearn to use their feet, the bike, public transport or at least some more economic cars, shall we?

Unlimited gas guzzling is destroying our climate and people complain that petrol is too dear. I guess the only benefit I can see for cheaper petrol is that it will bring us faster down to hell. Is this what you want?

Lol the results of a latest study show that classic cars are less damaging to the environment than an EV quite simply because they do far fewer miles on average, I drive my 9.3 liter V8 1970 Jag a max of 1000k/yr, so bottom line is not all gas guzzlers have a substantial impact on C02 levels, has to run on 98 though and only does 4.5k/liter. A classic car has a 563kg C02 footprint compared to 6800kg for an average fuel car and an EV has a 26000kg C02 production footprint but then a zero emission driving footprint meaning I would need to drive my classic car for at least 46 yrs to equal the damage done by an EV.
.

Not quite sure I get your point. Are you proposing we just all buy a frugal vintage car, stop using the SUV  but don't use the vintage car either for transport? Well, you get full points on that from me, this would be one solution to the climate crisis. You could even improve on that. Dump the vintage car and walk.

I didn't propose we should all buy EV cars and keep driving as much as before. Interesting is - mankind survived for the last million years (but the last 110 or so) without driving any cars, and some of them not even bad. The solution is clearly in reducing our overall footprint ... less overall consumption - not changing from one form of pollution to another.

Will we get there? Given that the world is full of selfish idiots and dinosaurs would I assume we will get there eventually, but only on the way through hell. Give it a handful of hundred years with quite negative impacts of climate change, droughts, floodings and the moving of larger and larger number of people and more and more devatating wars to fignt for not enough resources ... and the few who will survive this time of natural catastrophies, wars and mass migration might find somewhere on the globe a place where the new climate allows them to survive.

Well - until they managed to reproduce enough to get into the same misery again.

All good - nature always sorts itself out and humans are currently just a bit too many, too greedy and too selfish for this planet. Nature is currently hitting back.

Well I'm quite happy with my contribution to climate change reduction, I only drive 2000k per year in my normal car and use the ski bus whilst in Q/town and my wife only uses public transport whilst she is there also. PS-You will also be pleased to know that we caught the train when we attended the WGTN protest to boot.

[Minimoke]

Pretty shocking these days and will get worse when the Government wind back their temporary reduction in fuel excise of 25 cents a liter + GST, perhaps in mid August.   https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/129191698/car-101-tips-to-make-that-tank-of-petrol-go-further

Why would you say this? Fuel always used to be ways to cheap in NZ ... and it still is.

In many parts of the world is the liter of petrol already for many years over (what would be in NZ) $4. Have a look e.g. into Italy or France. Does not impact in any way their quality of life, but yes, maybe they use in these countries a bit more economical cars and more walking in towns. Less senseless burning of fuel. Tough.

Lets hope fuel prices stays high enough for long enough to allow all these petrol heads in NZ to retire their gas guzzlers and relearn to use their feet, the bike, public transport or at least some more economic cars, shall we?

Unlimited gas guzzling is destroying our climate and people complain that petrol is too dear. I guess the only benefit I can see for cheaper petrol is that it will bring us faster down to hell. Is this what you want?

Amy one who thinks the cost of fuel in nz impacts climate change is nuts.

In the USA its costing about us$5.00 a gallon.

And 6.7l RAM trucks seems to dominate the vehicle market. I don't think I have seen anything less than a 2 litre vehicle.

[BlackPeter]

Pretty shocking these days and will get worse when the Government wind back their temporary reduction in fuel excise of 25 cents a liter + GST, perhaps in mid August.   https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/129191698/car-101-tips-to-make-that-tank-of-petrol-go-further

Why would you say this? Fuel always used to be ways to cheap in NZ ... and it still is.

In many parts of the world is the liter of petrol already for many years over (what would be in NZ) $4. Have a look e.g. into Italy or France. Does not impact in any way their quality of life, but yes, maybe they use in these countries a bit more economical cars and more walking in towns. Less senseless burning of fuel. Tough.

Lets hope fuel prices stays high enough for long enough to allow all these petrol heads in NZ to retire their gas guzzlers and relearn to use their feet, the bike, public transport or at least some more economic cars, shall we?

Unlimited gas guzzling is destroying our climate and people complain that petrol is too dear. I guess the only benefit I can see for cheaper petrol is that it will bring us faster down to hell. Is this what you want?

Amy one who thinks the cost of fuel in nz impacts climate change is nuts.

In the USA its costing about us$5.00 a gallon.

And 6.7l RAM trucks seems to dominate the vehicle market. I don't think I have seen anything less than a 2 litre vehicle.

Anybody who does not see that the cost of fuel impacts on climate change is nuts. Not an opinion - this is a fact ;

Not quite sure what you want to say with the reminder of your post? Probably just a confirmation af above?

[Minimoke]

Pretty shocking these days and will get worse when the Government wind back their temporary reduction in fuel excise of 25 cents a liter + GST, perhaps in mid August.   https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/129191698/car-101-tips-to-make-that-tank-of-petrol-go-further

Why would you say this? Fuel always used to be ways to cheap in NZ ... and it still is.

In many parts of the world is the liter of petrol already for many years over (what would be in NZ) $4. Have a look e.g. into Italy or France. Does not impact in any way their quality of life, but yes, maybe they use in these countries a bit more economical cars and more walking in towns. Less senseless burning of fuel. Tough.

Lets hope fuel prices stays high enough for long enough to allow all these petrol heads in NZ to retire their gas guzzlers and relearn to use their feet, the bike, public transport or at least some more economic cars, shall we?

Unlimited gas guzzling is destroying our climate and people complain that petrol is too dear. I guess the only benefit I can see for cheaper petrol is that it will bring us faster down to hell. Is this what you want?

Amy one who thinks the cost of fuel in nz impacts climate change is nuts.

In the USA its costing about us$5.00 a gallon.

And 6.7l RAM trucks seems to dominate the vehicle market. I don't think I have seen anything less than a 2 litre vehicle.

Anybody who does not see that the cost of fuel impacts on climate change is nuts. Not an opinion - this is a fact ;

Not quite sure what you want to say with the reminder of your post? Probably just a confirmation af above?

if we are to go down this rabbit hole we should understand that nz's total contribution to climate damaging emissions is infintesable. And fuel makes up a sub set of that. And pricing a subset of that.

[BlackPeter]

Pretty shocking these days and will get worse when the Government wind back their temporary reduction in fuel excise of 25 cents a liter + GST, perhaps in mid August.   https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/129191698/car-101-tips-to-make-that-tank-of-petrol-go-further

Why would you say this? Fuel always used to be ways to cheap in NZ ... and it still is.

In many parts of the world is the liter of petrol already for many years over (what would be in NZ) $4. Have a look e.g. into Italy or France. Does not impact in any way their quality of life, but yes, maybe they use in these countries a bit more economical cars and more walking in towns. Less senseless burning of fuel. Tough.

Lets hope fuel prices stays high enough for long enough to allow all these petrol heads in NZ to retire their gas guzzlers and relearn to use their feet, the bike, public transport or at least some more economic cars, shall we?

Unlimited gas guzzling is destroying our climate and people complain that petrol is too dear. I guess the only benefit I can see for cheaper petrol is that it will bring us faster down to hell. Is this what you want?

Amy one who thinks the cost of fuel in nz impacts climate change is nuts.

In the USA its costing about us$5.00 a gallon.

And 6.7l RAM trucks seems to dominate the vehicle market. I don't think I have seen anything less than a 2 litre vehicle.

Anybody who does not see that the cost of fuel impacts on climate change is nuts. Not an opinion - this is a fact ;

Not quite sure what you want to say with the reminder of your post? Probably just a confirmation af above?

if we are to go down this rabbit hole we should understand that nz's total contribution to climate damaging emissions is infintesable. And fuel makes up a sub set of that. And pricing a subset of that.

Any persons consumption makes only an infinitesimal contribution to global warming. Following your argumentation this means nobody needs to change anything - no single American person, no single Chinese and no single Kiwi, given that their individual contribution is so small.

It is pretty clear that the majority of individuals will need to reduce their carbon output - and given that NZ is on a per capita basis belonging to the worst polluters on the globe, there are very good reasons for us to go into the leading group reducing our carbon output.

[arekaywhy]

why would you suggest we impoverish ourselves for the sake of fake science and 50 years of failed predictions of doom?

It might be time to have another look at the evidence all around us that prosperity comes from fossil fuels.  Cleaning up our environment THEN follows.

Another point, we seem to focus on the pain at the pump for ourselves, when fuel cost directly affects those that produce our food and then we pay for that all over again...

[kasper]

Why would you say this? Fuel always used to be ways to cheap in NZ ... and it still is.

In many parts of the world is the liter of petrol already for many years over (what would be in NZ) $4. Have a look e.g. into Italy or France. Does not impact in any way their quality of life, but yes, maybe they use in these countries a bit more economical cars and more walking in towns. Less senseless burning of fuel. Tough.

Lets hope fuel prices stays high enough for long enough to allow all these petrol heads in NZ to retire their gas guzzlers and relearn to use their feet, the bike, public transport or at least some more economic cars, shall we?

Unlimited gas guzzling is destroying our climate and people complain that petrol is too dear. I guess the only benefit I can see for cheaper petrol is that it will bring us faster down to hell. Is this what you want?
 Amy one who thinks the cost of fuel in nz impacts climate change is nuts.

In the USA its costing about us$5.00 a gallon.

And 6.7l RAM trucks seems to dominate the vehicle market. I don't think I have seen anything less than a 2 litre vehicle.


Anybody who does not see that the cost of fuel impacts on climate change is nuts. Not an opinion - this is a fact ;

Not quite sure what you want to say with the reminder of your post? Probably just a confirmation af above?
 if we are to go down this rabbit hole we should understand that nz's total contribution to climate damaging emissions is infintesable. And fuel makes up a sub set of that. And pricing a subset of that.


Any persons consumption makes only an infinitesimal contribution to global warming. Following your argumentation this means nobody needs to change anything - no single American person, no single Chinese and no single Kiwi, given that their individual contribution is so small.

It is pretty clear that the majority of individuals will need to reduce their carbon output - and given that NZ is on a per capita basis belonging to the worst polluters on the globe, there are very good reasons for us to go into the leading group reducing our carbon output.

Not global warming cause its not all warm and not man produced climate change either, cyclical climate change for sure.

[BlackPeter]

Not global warming cause its not all warm and not man produced climate change either, cyclical climate change for sure.

Maybe we should stick with the scientific method and facts.

If you prefer to put your faith into the remaining handful of (admittedly noisy) dinosaurs and talking heads who spew out their irrational believes, this is fine, but just leave the rest of mankind to deal with climate change.

Like it or not - men caused climate change is a fact. Do your research.

[kasper]

Maybe we should stick with the scientific method and facts.

If you prefer to put your faith into the remaining handful of (admittedly noisy) dinosaurs and talking heads who spew out their irrational believes, this is fine, but just leave the rest of mankind to deal with climate change.

Like it or not - men caused climate change is a fact. Do your research.

A fact according to numpties like Al Gore, yeah right. PS-I have a low carbon footprint so attend to your own knitting.

[Onemootpoint]

Gull have 15c/l off today and tomorrow morning:

"From 7am Wednesday 12th July until 12pm midday Thursday 13th July 2023 we're dropping the price of all fuel grades, at all Gull sites"

The Gull effect may cause others to be 'cheaper' for the same time period eg:
Costco currently $2.287 /l and the nearby PakandSave Westgate at $2.397 /l before the 6c/l  discount.