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winner (n)

Quote from: Basil on Feb 14, 2023, 08:29 AM4 trees down on our property.
No power.
Massive winds overnight and a lot of rain.
Just another storm...Yeah right!

That's a bugger Basil.

Take care

ShiningStar

Quote from: KW on Feb 13, 2023, 09:18 PMI think you just call it a "storm" now.  At least thats what the rest of the world is calling it.  You know, one of those things that happen all the time, used to be called "bad weather".  Now everything is a NATIONAL EMERGENCY!

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Just another storm  :o  WOW you are totally out of touch with reality! Try telling that to the families whose homes have been flooded and damaged and those without power that may take days or weeks to be reconnected. I have family members in that situation so pull your head in, your posts are rubbish and insensitive

KW

Quote from: ShiningStar on Feb 14, 2023, 10:25 AMJust another storm  :o  WOW you are totally out of touch with reality! Try telling that to the families whose homes have been flooded and damaged and those without power that may take days or weeks to be reconnected. I have family members in that situation so pull your head in, your posts are rubbish and insensitive

Its hardly Hurricane Katrina level - yet that's what the media was making it out to be.  Its not even Queensland or NSW floods level (FYI Queensland had 6 floods in 6 months last year, lost 20,000 houses and 23 people died, Northern NSW lost 7,800 houses in their one - Auckland lost 250 houses in comparison).  

I guess you and I have very different ideas of what a national disaster is.  Floods and storms like what just happened in the Nth Island happens every year in Australia, its part and parcel of life.  Australia doesnt shut down an entire city or State just because a river is due to flood or there is a storm coming.  Melbourne flooded last year as well - again, they just dealt with it without all the dramatics.  

Yes its unfortunate for the people who got flooded or had a tree fall onto their roof.  Hopefully they have insurance. But in comparison to REAL disasters this is still nothing.  You should be grateful for that. 
Don't drink and buy shares in a downtrend, you bloody idiot.

ShiningStar

Quote from: KW on Feb 14, 2023, 10:49 AMIts hardly Hurricane Katrina level - yet that's what the media was making it out to be.  Its not even Queensland or NSW floods level (FYI Queensland had 6 floods in 6 months last year, lost 20,000 houses and 23 people died, Northern NSW lost 7,800 houses in their one - Auckland lost 250 houses in comparison). 

I guess you and I have very different ideas of what a national disaster is.  Floods and storms like what just happened in the Nth Island happens every year in Australia, its part and parcel of life.  Australia doesnt shut down an entire city or State just because a river is due to flood or there is a storm coming.  Melbourne flooded last year as well - again, they just dealt with it without all the dramatics. 

Yes its unfortunate for the people who got flooded or had a tree fall onto their roof.  Hopefully they have insurance. But in comparison to REAL disasters this is still nothing.  You should be grateful for that.

Yes I think its fair to say we have nothing in common. Try telling the people actually affected by this "storm" it is nothing and they should be grateful. 

Basil

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Quote from: winner (n) on Feb 14, 2023, 08:57 AMThat's a bugger Basil.

Take care
Thanks mate. Thankfully none were the huge old pine trees behind our house.
Biggest problem was the one in front that blocked the road. Council were on to that really quick which was impressive. Equally impressive my daughter was a huge help dealing with the other small trees. Bloody awesome to get support like that. Haven't
always had a good relationship with her but she was there for me  with her trusty  Still chainsaw when I needed her this morning and that means a LOT!

Best wishes to all affected by this horrendous cyclone.  I hope you all get fabulous support like I have.

KW

Quote from: ShiningStar on Feb 14, 2023, 11:14 AMYes I think its fair to say we have nothing in common. Try telling the people actually affected by this "storm" it is nothing and they should be grateful. 

Its climate change (apparently) in which case people are going to have to get used to this happening on a regular basis. Like Australians are used to it happening.  We cant go on shutting everything down every time there is a storm or flooding event.  Systems need to be put in place so that its just dealt with smoothly, the way Australia just gets on with it.  Things like the airport not cancelling flights or closing schools for 2 days - that would be unheard of in Australia.  

I spent 13 years in Australia.  Brisbane had serious floods in 9 out of those 14 years.  Including one in 2011 where 35 people died and 200,000 people had damaged homes.  
Don't drink and buy shares in a downtrend, you bloody idiot.

KW

Quote from: Basil on Feb 14, 2023, 08:29 AM4 trees down on our property.
No power.
Massive winds overnight and a lot of rain.
Just another storm...Yeah right!

Its my understanding that where you are, you are restricted in your ability to remove or maintain trees - is that still true?  In which case people probably have a lot of dangerous trees that are just sitting there waiting for a strong wind to blow them over, when really they need to be removed or substantially pruned.  A bit like the wild fires are due to no-one being able to back burn anymore.  The greenies are so busy worrying about the environment they forget about the people living in it. 
Don't drink and buy shares in a downtrend, you bloody idiot.

Basil

Yeah Titirangi is part of the Waitakere green belt in Auckland.
My daughter seemed to relish the chance to use her chainsaw.  There are a lot of regulations about not being able to cut down certain trees over 3 meters high.

Danger to one's property or wellbeing is a valid exemption though so we are going to be doing a good risk assessment after the dust has settled.

KW

Quote from: Basil on Feb 14, 2023, 12:25 PMYeah Titirangi is part of the Waitakere green belt in Auckland.
My daughter seemed to relish the chance to use her chainsaw.  There are a lot of regulations about not being able to cut down certain trees over 3 meters high.

Danger to one's property or wellbeing is a valid exemption though so we are going to be doing a good risk assessment after the dust has settled.

You might want to raise that with your local MP - as above, I think these types of storms are probably going to be regular occurrences as NZ's weather becomes more like Australia.  Hopefully you got some good firewood out of it  :D

 
Don't drink and buy shares in a downtrend, you bloody idiot.

BlackPeter

Quote from: KW on Feb 13, 2023, 11:13 AMWith all the school closures we might as well just give up on educating kids and just send them down the mines or teach them to sew t-shirts

Maybe we overate the role of our schools for education - I guess for many parents the schools here are just a place looking after the children so that they can make money instead of looking after their off spring.

Maybe you should talk with some people from the war generation growing up in central Europe (e.g. 1940 to 1945 in Berlin)?

My father was a school boy in Berlin (He turned 14 in 1945). Missed nearly half of the school time covering up instead in air shelters, and if there was no current attack the school children had to collect bomb fragments so that the metal could be reused. I guess you could call this some sort of science class?

Actually - he had with more than 2 school years missing a very successful career after the war, starting at the bottom of a large company and 20 years later running it (as MD).

If our kids don't succeed, than it is not another missed school day, but that many of them never learned the value of discipline, they never learned to respect others, they never learned how to learn and many of them never learned how to properly read and write. Unfortunately they don't teach any of that anymore in NZ schools (that seems to be now a voluntary add on which some parents still do provide ... but others prefer to whinge instead about missing school days).


KW

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Quote from: BlackPeter on Feb 14, 2023, 01:31 PMMaybe we overate the role of our schools for education - I guess for many parents the schools here are just a place looking after the children so that they can make money instead of looking after their off spring.

Maybe you should talk with some people from the war generation growing up in central Europe (e.g. 1940 to 1945 in Berlin)?

My father was a school boy in Berlin (He turned 14 in 1945). Missed nearly half of the school time covering up instead in air shelters, and if there was no current attack the school children had to collect bomb fragments so that the metal could be reused. I guess you could call this some sort of science class?

Actually - he had with more than 2 school years missing a very successful career after the war, starting at the bottom of a large company and 20 years later running it (as MD).

If our kids don't succeed, than it is not another missed school day, but that many of them never learned the value of discipline, they never learned to respect others, they never learned how to learn and many of them never learned how to properly read and write. Unfortunately they don't teach any of that anymore in NZ schools (that seems to be now a voluntary add on which some parents still do provide ... but others prefer to whinge instead about missing school days).



That is true.  But not attending school does not help things.  Apparently only 27% of Maori kids are now attending school regularly - and that will feed into loss of employability, welfare dependence, drug and alcohol abuse, and criminal offending.  Its too late to park an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff, we need to do more to stop them falling off it in the first place.  Sending a message that school and education is important is a start.

Interestingly, my nephew just left school after Year 12 (6th form for those of us old school). As did his girlfriend, and a lot of his friends.  The boys have gone into trades, the girl is knocking around doing retail work while figuring out what she wants to do.  This from a prestigious boys school too.  While I am no fan of kids going to Uni simply because they don't know what else to do (incurring huge student debts for nothing) it does make me wonder about these kids who have had the last 3 years of their schooling substantially disrupted.  Many have left because they are simply not able to keep up with the pre-Covid curriculum as they have serious deficits from the lockdown periods and all the school closures due to Covid outbreaks.   I hope they turn out okay. 
Don't drink and buy shares in a downtrend, you bloody idiot.

BlackPeter

Quote from: KW on Feb 14, 2023, 01:45 PMThat is true.  But not attending school does not help things.  Apparently only 27% of Maori kids are now attending school regularly - and that will feed into loss of employability, welfare dependence, drug and alcohol abuse, and criminal offending.  Its too late to park an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff, we need to do more to stop them falling off it in the first place.  Sending a message that school and education is important is a start.

Interestingly, my nephew just left school after Year 12 (6th form for those of us old school). As did his girlfriend, and a lot of his friends.  The boys have gone into trades, the girl is knocking around doing retail work while figuring out what she wants to do.  This from a prestigious boys school too.  While I am no fan of kids going to Uni simply because they don't know what else to do (incurring huge student debts for nothing) it does make me wonder about these kids who have had the last 3 years of their schooling substantially disrupted.  Many have left because they are simply not able to keep up with the pre-Covid curriculum as they have serious deficits from the lockdown periods and all the school closures due to Covid outbreaks.   I hope they turn out okay. 

Fair enough ... and it appears anyway we do agree vehemently.

Schools are important, however - they need to convey the right things (discipline, respect, to learn how to learn and proper reading / writing).

Unfortunately - at this stage in NZ they don't seem to be very good in doing that, no matter whether they are open or closed.

Untamed

This is not Australia, and this is not a "normal weather event" for New Zealand. Not yet, anyway, although it may well become so in the future.

The media wasn't making it out to be anything. They were conveying information from meteorologists - the experts on weather patterns and events, and emergency response officials. That is a large part of the media's role - conveying important, "official" information to New Zealanders.

This event is a disaster - whether you class it as a "National" disaster or not, is a matter of semantics. Our country is small enough for any major weather event such as this, to warrant that label. The cost to the country will be huge, which is most definitely a National disaster and concern.

Given our apparent over-reaction to natural disasters, our terrible education system, and the fact that our kids are all going to become illiterate drop-outs due to lockdown, you don't seem particularly happy living here. Maybe Aussie would be a much better fit for you.


Quote from: KW on Feb 14, 2023, 10:49 AMIts hardly Hurricane Katrina level - yet that's what the media was making it out to be.  Its not even Queensland or NSW floods level (FYI Queensland had 6 floods in 6 months last year, lost 20,000 houses and 23 people died, Northern NSW lost 7,800 houses in their one - Auckland lost 250 houses in comparison). 

I guess you and I have very different ideas of what a national disaster is.  Floods and storms like what just happened in the Nth Island happens every year in Australia, its part and parcel of life.  Australia doesnt shut down an entire city or State just because a river is due to flood or there is a storm coming.  Melbourne flooded last year as well - again, they just dealt with it without all the dramatics. 

Yes its unfortunate for the people who got flooded or had a tree fall onto their roof.  Hopefully they have insurance. But in comparison to REAL disasters this is still nothing.  You should be grateful for that.

KW

Quote from: Untamed on Feb 14, 2023, 06:04 PMGiven our apparent over-reaction to natural disasters, our terrible education system, and the fact that our kids are all going to become illiterate drop-outs due to lockdown, you don't seem particularly happy living here. Maybe Aussie would be a much better fit for you.



All my money is still in Australia, and it shall remain there.  I can indeed leave any time I like, which is how I like it.  Sadly others are less fortunate, so perhaps it would be better if NZ lifted its game instead?
Don't drink and buy shares in a downtrend, you bloody idiot.

Fiordland Moose

the south island is a pretty sweet place to live though - notwithstanding all the attractions of australia.